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Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2625: December 04, 2012, 06:00:26 PM »
What, no Greinke??

Didn't say anything about the bullpen.  Greinke or bust.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2626: December 04, 2012, 06:01:35 PM »
Steve Berthiaume ‏@BertDbacks

Whoa. #Dbacks RT/@pedrogomezESPN: Phillies & Diamondbacks discussing Justin Upton for Cliff Lee. Money coming to AZ would also be involved.

2_aces_r_u_kidding_me?*

*as long as Halladay is still healthy.  If not, 1.5_Aces_r_u_kidding_me?


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2627: December 04, 2012, 06:04:59 PM »
so um...uh... does Morse have options?

I'm wondering if we sign LaRoche and can't trade Morse, he becomes our 2013 "John Lannan"?
No, that will be Moore.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2628: December 04, 2012, 06:14:40 PM »
No, that will be Moore.
Yup. I can see this happening. Although I don't think Morse will like no playing every day. Don't thinkn it would be great for his production.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2629: December 04, 2012, 06:34:30 PM »
Quote
“World Series or bust,” Johnson said. “That’s probably the slogan this year. But I’m comfortable with that.”


I like that slogan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/12/04/davey-johnson-world-series-or-bust-for-nationals-in-2013/

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2630: December 04, 2012, 06:39:55 PM »
Quickly followed by super fans... "I'm just happy the Nats have a ball team... who cares about winning. The real team will be ready in 2014."

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2631: December 04, 2012, 07:08:06 PM »
How much would it take to bring Gorzelanny back?  Held lefties to a .298 wOBA last season.  Not as good as Michael Gonzalez (.240), but much Gorz was much better against righties and offers more flexibility.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2632: December 04, 2012, 07:10:35 PM »
How much would it take to bring Gorzelanny back?  Held lefties to a .298 wOBA last season.  Not as good as Michael Gonzalez (.240), but much Gorz was much better against righties and offers more flexibility.
Well he made 3 million last year, and was probably due for a raise in arbitration. So if you gave him a major league deal (which he'll get) probably 2-3 million? I bet the Brewers will give him two years.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2633: December 04, 2012, 09:41:49 PM »
How much would it take to bring Gorzelanny back?  Held lefties to a .298 wOBA last season.  Not as good as Michael Gonzalez (.240), but much Gorz was much better against righties and offers more flexibility.

yeah, probably $6 million over 2 years.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2634: December 04, 2012, 10:29:58 PM »
William Ladson tweet: JP Howell just told me that he would love to play with the Nats. "I love their style and they are absolutely loaded."  #MLB

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2635: December 04, 2012, 10:54:31 PM »
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Source says Marlins were "panicked" to get rid of Yunel Escobar and did so to Rays for Derek Dietrich, as @DKnobler first reported.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2636: December 04, 2012, 10:59:45 PM »
"Panicked"? That's odd. Maybe they finally met him :lol:

...or maybe they realized that he earns a real salary.

Poor Derek Dietrich. :(

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2637: December 04, 2012, 11:10:25 PM »
giants trying to bring ryan theriot back, i'd love to see him join us to fill the derosa spot.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2638: December 04, 2012, 11:35:37 PM »
giants trying to bring ryan theriot back, i'd love to see him join us to fill the derosa spot.

There isn't a spot. Moore, Lombardozzi, Tracy, Bernadina and Catcher2 that's the bench with a 7 man bullpen.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2639: December 05, 2012, 12:29:18 AM »
The Marlins are hilarious.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2640: December 05, 2012, 12:34:29 AM »
The Marlins are hilarious.
Watch them deal Nolasco and field a team with a $15 million payroll.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2641: December 05, 2012, 09:11:50 AM »
William Ladson tweet: JP Howell just told me that he would love to play with the Nats. "I love their style and they are absolutely loaded."  #MLB

J.P. Howell is a stoner?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2642: December 05, 2012, 10:28:59 AM »
Watch them deal Nolasco and field a team with a $15 million payroll.

that stadium is going to be absolutely empty next season.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2643: December 05, 2012, 10:52:12 AM »
The Mike Stanton countdown to a trade or free agency could be Lebron-like.  At least Dwight Howard-like.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2644: December 05, 2012, 10:55:33 AM »
Who are some candidates for minor league deals that could be stashed in AAA for the John Lannan role?  I saw a note about the Nats and Mike Pelfrey, but I'd bet he'll get a shot with a team with already poor pitching. 

Here is MLBTR's list of free agent SPs:
Starting pitchers
Erik Bedard (34)
Joe Blanton (32)
Dallas Braden (29)
Aaron Cook (34)
Kevin Correia (32)
Ryan Dempster (36)
Jeff Francis (32)
Freddy Garcia (37)
Zack Greinke (28)
Rich Harden (31)
Roberto Hernandez (32)
Edwin Jackson (29)
Jair Jurrjens (27)
Jeff Karstens (30)
John Lannan (28)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Kyle Lohse (34) - declined qualifying offer
Derek Lowe (40)
Shaun Marcum (31)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (32)
Brandon McCarthy (29)
Kevin Millwood (38)
Dustin Moseley (31)
Jamie Moyer (50)
Brett Myers (32)
Roy Oswalt (35)
Carl Pavano (37)
Mike Pelfrey (29)
Anibal Sanchez (29)
Jonathan Sanchez (30)
Joe Saunders (32)
Tim Stauffer (31)
Carlos Villanueva (29)
Chien-Ming Wang (33)
Kip Wells (36)
Randy Wells (30)
Randy Wolf (36)
Chris Young (34)
Carlos Zambrano (32)
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html#ESpAgveq0azIfY4f.99

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2645: December 05, 2012, 11:28:23 AM »
Just curious... Does anyone know who the high-caliber starting pitchers are that hit free agency next year? i.e. Did Rizzo pass on a monster Greinke deal because he sees someone he likes more next year that could get a multiyear deal?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2646: December 05, 2012, 11:30:29 AM »
Does anyone else really not get the all-out rush for Greinke? Not that he's not a "good" player, but there's talk that he might eclipse CC Sabathia's 7/$161 contract.

Going into that contract, CC Sabathia was heading into his age 28 season and had just ended a 3-year run where he pitched 230 innings per season with a 3.03 ERA (145 ERA+), including an unbelievable 17-start run with Milwaukee where he went 11-2 with a 1.65 ERA and 7 complete games.

Meanwhile, Greinke is a year older and is ending a 3-year run where he's pitched 201 innings per season with a 3.83 ERA (106 ERA+).

Stats people have pretty much acknowledged that some pitchers (Matt Cain is the best example) consistently outperform their metrics. What if Greinke consistently UNDERPERFORMS his metrics? After all, conventional wisdom says that Greinke's .306 BABIP this year was a bit unlucky, and should really be in the .290 range (part of the reason his ERA was higher than his FIP this year). But what do we make of the fact that his CAREER BABIP is .308, or that it's been .303 or higher ever year since 2004?

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't give $150+ million to a guy who doesn't have a great record of ACTUAL performance, in addition to a great record of EXPECTED performance. And Greinke only has the 31st best pitcher WAR over the past three seasons if you start with actual runs allowed (the baseball-reference version). He's right between Shawn Marcum and Gavin Floyd.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2647: December 05, 2012, 11:36:35 AM »
Just curious... Does anyone know who the high-caliber starting pitchers are that hit free agency next year? i.e. Did Rizzo pass on a monster Greinke deal because he sees someone he likes more next year that could get a multiyear deal?


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html

Lincecum is the biggest name, but we have players who need extensions, signing a free agent pitcher to a massive deal is just a waste

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2648: December 05, 2012, 12:20:23 PM »
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html

Lincecum is the biggest name, but we have players who need extensions, signing a free agent pitcher to a massive deal is just a waste


Josh johnson, lincecum, dickey, halladay, carpenter

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2649: December 05, 2012, 12:25:10 PM »
Someone should start the "Countdown to the Halla-days" thread.