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Offline blue911

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1950: November 26, 2012, 09:22:24 AM »
I'll bet he didn't read it.

I should have said his agent.

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« Reply #1951: November 26, 2012, 09:31:04 AM »
I don't really mind standing pat on offense if they are that high on Moore, but if they make that decision they should upgrade both the bullpen and attempt to replace/upgrade over E-Jax.

And if they start Moore, they need to beef up the bench.  We'd need another right handed bat off the bench to complement Chad Tracy.  Lombo/Tracy as the backup infielders, one of Bernie/Brown as the 4th outfielder and the other guy has to be a right handed bat.

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« Reply #1952: November 26, 2012, 09:32:00 AM »
I should have said his agent.

This is a good point.  A couple of times, it seemed like Davey's quotes were directed at LaRoche and his agent.

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« Reply #1953: November 26, 2012, 09:33:16 AM »
Longoria gets a $100 mil extension from the Rays.  Good for the Rays and good for Longoria.

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« Reply #1954: November 26, 2012, 09:43:36 AM »
This is a good point.  A couple of times, it seemed like Davey's quotes were directed at LaRoche and his agent.

Maybe because Davey is in direct communication with LaRoche? After all he just bought a side of beef from him. LaRoche is also one of Davey's in season golf buddies. I would bet that if LaRoche re-signs, it'll be in large part because of Davey.

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« Reply #1955: November 26, 2012, 09:46:47 AM »
I should have said his agent.

So why is Boswell shilling for the Lerners?  He doesn't work for them.  Why is he writing a column aimed at LaRoche/his agent?

How about signing him for three years and then DFA'ing him after two?  Right after the final game of the 2014 season, give him a gold (plated) watch and say "SEE YA!"

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« Reply #1956: November 26, 2012, 10:53:53 AM »
LANC/SSS crowd awfully quiet.

this team just won 98 games, what do they need to say?

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« Reply #1957: November 26, 2012, 11:01:43 AM »
:lol:

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« Reply #1958: November 26, 2012, 11:05:07 AM »
I would like to take this opportunity to point out my predicted opening lineup that I made on November 23rd.

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1B Moore
2B Espinosa
SS Desmond
3B Zimmerman
LF Morse
CF Harper
RF Werth
C Ramos/Suzuki

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Strasburg
Gonzalez
Zimmermann
Detwiler
Garcia

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« Reply #1959: November 26, 2012, 11:07:31 AM »
A bullpen guy who isn't a sure bet to stay healthy as the #5 and Moore who showed power but never had long playing time to be exposed?

That's a downgrade, no two ways about it.

Could it work out? Sure. But if that's the plan, it's not the best one they have ever come up with.

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« Reply #1960: November 26, 2012, 11:12:11 AM »
I think that's plan B, at least the Moore part.  I really don't expect them to go with Garcia as the #5 guy come April.  I really don't. 

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« Reply #1961: November 26, 2012, 11:15:29 AM »
I really don't expect them to go with Garcia as the #5 guy come April.  I really don't. 

After reading that Boswell column, why do you think that?

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« Reply #1962: November 26, 2012, 11:24:12 AM »
Maybe because Davey is in direct communication with LaRoche? After all he just bought a side of beef from him. LaRoche is also one of Davey's in season golf buddies. I would bet that if LaRoche re-signs, it'll be in large part because of Davey.

I'd say that it would be entirely based on Davey as LaRoche would almost certainly have to accept less money to return.

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« Reply #1963: November 26, 2012, 11:40:10 AM »
After reading that Boswell column, why do you think that?

Because it's November and every interview I've seen with Davey is full of joking winks of the eye and sarcasm.  Also, because that was what Boz laid out, and not what Davey or Rizzo actually said for this piece.  I know they've said similar things in the past, but I don't think they'll go into April with that as the situation.  I expect Garcia to start in Syracuse and them to see if they can get a Lohse, Dempster or Haren for a year or two deal in January or February.  Columnists generally throw stuff around like this to send messages to fan bases, but that doesn't mean anything's iron clad nor does it mean situations can't change as players they didn't think would be available still are late in the process.  This isn't an offseason for drastic moves, it's one for more minor adjustments.  They've got a good thing going.

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« Reply #1964: November 26, 2012, 11:46:55 AM »
And if they start Moore, they need to beef up the bench.  We'd need another right handed bat off the bench to complement Chad Tracy.  Lombo/Tracy as the backup infielders, one of Bernie/Brown as the 4th outfielder and the other guy has to be a right handed bat.


that's the problem.  if they let moore be an everyday player (which i'm fine with), the bench will suffer and they will just fill it with some lesser player.

it's the nationals way.

this team just won 98 games, what do they need to say?

with an early exit :lmao:

but most of them are happy they got discounted playoff t-shirts and that teddy won races. 

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« Reply #1965: November 26, 2012, 11:48:14 AM »
After reading that Boswell column, why do you think that?

Also this, as a suppliment to the column:

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The top free agent pitchers are Greinke and 18-game win ner Kyle Lohse. But that leaves a LOT of stock for Rizzo to pick up a 4th starter. And that's the phrase he used with me yeserday when discussing what the Nats needed. Other FA pitchers include Anibal Sanchez, Ryan Dempster (12-8, 3.38), Joe Saunders, Francisco Liriano, Sean Marcum, Ben Sheets, Brandon McCarthy (8-6, 3.24), plus some "usual suspects" like Wolf, Zambrano, F Garcia, Sheets, Marcum. If that list is 100% correct I'd be amazed!

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Nats resign lefty Zach Duke who was 15-5 3.51 ERA at Syracuse last year, then 1.32 in 12 IP for Nats in September. He may even be resigned already. I heard a "maybe" on that. He has 168 career starts in MLB, but the Nats may have polished him up last year. He's only 29. That's a good example of how sharp the Nats are at finding value where others see nothing.

Rizzo said yesterday: "We like to keep (off-season) things under wraps. When you hear our name linked with a player, you know those are the things that are NOT going to happen."

It's true. Werth and Gonzalez were industry wide surprises. I suspect the Nats are kicking the tires on a CF who's not Bourn or BJ Upton. Doubt it's Victorino because he hits better RHed than LHed and the Nats need LH bats more if they lose LaRoche.


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« Reply #1967: November 26, 2012, 11:51:44 AM »
with an early exit

but most of them are happy they got discounted playoff t-shirts and that teddy won races. 


Yep, that's exactly what I took away from this picture.  They were thrilled to lose like they did. 



It usually takes  a year or two for a team like the Nats to learn to win in the post season.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1969: November 26, 2012, 11:53:38 AM »
with an early exit :lmao:

but most of them are happy they got discounted playoff t-shirts and that teddy won races. 


What do you think is the better overall measure of a team's strength: Record over an 162-game span, or a 5-game span?

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« Reply #1970: November 26, 2012, 11:55:27 AM »
but most of them are happy they got discounted playoff t-shirts and that teddy won races. 

This is a real fan police type of post. No one was happy with the early exit.

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« Reply #1971: November 26, 2012, 11:59:15 AM »
Yep, that's exactly what I took away from this picture.  They were thrilled to lose like they did. 

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It usually takes  a year or two for a team like the Nats to learn to win in the post season.


i'm talking about the LAC and SSS posters.

if they don't know that now is the time to strike and add that extra bat or arm that will take us to the next round, you have to do it.

can't go a step backward.

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« Reply #1972: November 26, 2012, 12:00:39 PM »
What do you think is the better overall measure of a team's strength: Record over an 162-game span, or a 5-game span?

and down the stretch there were areas of weakness that became exposed.

>plus we're losing laroche
>we need another starter
>i know they aren't going to address the 2B situation, but they could really use another back-up (b/c i think lombo will be playing all over the place)

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1973: November 26, 2012, 12:03:00 PM »
If we sign Brandon McCarthy he will instantly be my favorite Nat.

Sorry, he's just that awesome.

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« Reply #1974: November 26, 2012, 12:04:11 PM »
This isn't an offseason for drastic moves, it's one for more minor adjustments.  They've got a good thing going.


Fans of this team has been misled and abused and taken advantage of over the years (2008-2009 were bad but let's not think that 2006 and 2007 were much better), the wounds are still fresh.  Giving the impression of standing pat, brings back a lot of bad memories.

I just don't think we're going to be in a better position in 2014 by finishing behind the Braves and Phillies in 2013 because they're hellbent on overtaking the Nationals.