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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1375: November 07, 2012, 01:31:08 PM »
Shin-Soo Choo is an interesting option for me. Might cost something significant up front but would likely get you back a 30-40 slot pick in the 2014 draft when he declines a qualifying offer.

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« Reply #1376: November 07, 2012, 01:57:50 PM »
Shin-Soo Choo is an interesting option for me. Might cost something significant up front but would likely get you back a 30-40 slot pick in the 2014 draft when he declines a qualifying offer.

to be a fly on the wall when asking what it would cost in a trade...

Would that move Harper to 4th in the lineup?

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« Reply #1377: November 07, 2012, 02:03:52 PM »
to be a fly on the wall when asking what it would cost in a trade...

Would that move Harper to 4th in the lineup?

Werth Choo Zim Harper [LaRoche/Morse]?

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« Reply #1378: November 07, 2012, 02:05:41 PM »
Probably should go in Out Of Town, but Jason Bay and Mets negotiated to end his contract. Werth in 2-4 years?

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« Reply #1379: November 07, 2012, 02:28:07 PM »
Probably should go in Out Of Town, but Jason Bay and Mets negotiated to end his contract. Werth in 2-4 years?

Doubtful on 4, very doubtful on 2.

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« Reply #1380: November 07, 2012, 02:34:47 PM »
Probably should go in Out Of Town, but Jason Bay and Mets negotiated to end his contract. Werth in 2-4 years?

Different kinds of player, though. Bay was an inathletic power guy with statuesque defense.

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« Reply #1381: November 07, 2012, 02:42:33 PM »
Different kinds of player, though. Bay was an inathletic power guy with statuesque defense.

he has a high of 21 SB and has managed at least 10 most years with the mets, so he's not exactly big papi

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1382: November 07, 2012, 03:23:42 PM »
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Who are the targets with that mindset? I don't think they have to be cheap, just not in line for long term deals, and obviously ALR if no one backs the truck up would fit

- I openly ask as most of you seem to have a better grasp on the rest of the league
I don't think any lefty hitting FA we'd be satisfied with would come here on a one year contract, with the possible exception of Melky.  I'd be much more focused on guys with one or two year contracts that teams would want to deal to get some return.  Two names I think might be available would be Choo and Kubel. Choo does not has some power but less than ALR, while Kubel is a poor fielder.

[edit - NJ Ave beat me to it on Choo today]

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1383: November 07, 2012, 05:05:01 PM »
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Jerry Crasnick‏@jcrasnick

 While Justin Upton's name makes the rounds as trade candidate, sources say #dbacks will also listen on pitcher Trevor Bauer
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Jerry Crasnick‏@jcrasnick

 Hearing that Bauer has fallen out of favor with some people in #dbacks organization.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1384: November 07, 2012, 05:24:40 PM »
Trevor Bauer

Trade the farm for Upton and Bauer.

On a serious note, Bauer would be awesome to have.  He probably needs to get rid of 5 pitches out of the like 20 he throws.  Make him a 4-seam, curve, change, splitter guy.  Add in the slider a bit later.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1386: November 07, 2012, 05:29:04 PM »
I wonder why?

He's got to be on his way to Injuryville.  Wasn't this the guy from UCLA that had some crazy pitches but had fatigue problems this season?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1387: November 07, 2012, 05:34:09 PM »
http://www.baseballdebate.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pitching&action=display&thread=1304
Very good description of his development throughout high school and college. 

I believe the reason bauer could be on the block is that he is very adament about his extreme long toss program whiich consists of pre-game throwing from foul-pole to foul-pole.  The d-backs probably want him to alter his routine and he is very adament about not changing it.

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« Reply #1388: November 07, 2012, 05:39:07 PM »
http://www.baseballdebate.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pitching&action=display&thread=1304
Very good description of his development throughout high school and college. 

I believe the reason bauer could be on the block is that he is very adament about his extreme long toss program whiich consists of pre-game throwing from foul-pole to foul-pole.  The d-backs probably want him to alter his routine and he is very adament about not changing it.


so they want to rid themselves of a potential ace because of his long toss routine? I'm thinking MDS/Boss is sounding more logical here

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« Reply #1389: November 07, 2012, 05:41:59 PM »
so they want to rid themselves of a potential ace because of his long toss routine? I'm thinking MDS/Boss is sounding more logical here

Well it has nothing to do with his production, so do you have any better ideas?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1390: November 07, 2012, 05:43:00 PM »
http://www.jaegersports.com/press_articles.php

I posted a bad link to the bauer article earlier.  I believe this is it.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1391: November 07, 2012, 05:45:18 PM »
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 Others in the organization thought that Bauer really needed to focus on pitching in lower half of the strike zone; he didn't.
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 Two reasons why Arizona will listen on Bauer: 1) Avg. astball velo was 92.2 mph, less than in college, and 2) His willingness to adjust.
 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1392: November 07, 2012, 05:51:42 PM »
http://www.baseballdebate.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pitching&action=display&thread=1304
Very good description of his development throughout high school and college. 

I believe the reason bauer could be on the block is that he is very adament about his extreme long toss program whiich consists of pre-game throwing from foul-pole to foul-pole.  The d-backs probably want him to alter his routine and he is very adament about not changing it.


Then the Diamondbacks need a new front office. Bauer was up front about his program before being drafted and if they passed on Bundy thinking they could alter Bauer they shouldn't be involved in decision making of any sort,  including paper or plastic.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1393: November 07, 2012, 05:54:23 PM »
Acquire Bauer. Sell the freaking farm.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1394: November 07, 2012, 06:05:03 PM »
Look if the D-Backs want trade Bauer, I'm definitely down. I see him as Lincecum in that he'll be great for a few years and then fade. But even so, we'd be getting those great years and he'd be a free agent towards the drop off.

Question is, what do they want for him?

I'm still not convinced they trade Upton. Just way too much potential there. He'd have to be HATED by the team/ownership for that to happen.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1395: November 07, 2012, 06:12:11 PM »
Trevor Bauer was bestial in the minors. Don't understand why they would want to trade him.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1396: November 07, 2012, 06:18:49 PM »
Trevor Bauer was bestial in the minors. Don't understand why they would want to trade him.

Because they dont' like his conditioning routine. Mainly long toss. It's a rather convoluted arguement. The Royals tried to talk Bundy out of it when they came to visit him before the draft.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1397: November 07, 2012, 06:20:42 PM »
In that case--get him. It will be their loss.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1398: November 07, 2012, 06:28:15 PM »
The Nationals accomodated Chien Ming-Wang's strange warmup routine, they can handle Bauer.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1399: November 07, 2012, 06:51:50 PM »
The Nationals accomodated Chien Ming-Wang's strange warmup routine, they can handle Bauer.

Wang was merely an investment of money. And not really a whole lot. Bauer would be an investment of more money and players we'd have to trade.