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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1125: November 02, 2012, 10:30:48 PM »
Haren to Cubs not happening according to MLBTR.

Ken Rosenthal says the Cubs nixed the deal.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1126: November 02, 2012, 10:32:34 PM »
Ken Rosenthal says the Cubs nixed the deal.
That was stupid of them.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1127: November 02, 2012, 10:33:07 PM »
Ken Rosenthal says the Cubs nixed the deal.

Haren must have lupus or something if the Cubs nixed the deal.  Marmol is absolutely terrible and has zero value.  They would have gotten, at the very least, a younger version of Ryan Dempster and another shot at trading a pitcher for some actual prospect next season.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1128: November 02, 2012, 10:36:02 PM »
Haren must be a zombie.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1129: November 02, 2012, 10:36:46 PM »
That was stupid of them.

Something tells me Haren isn't healthy.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1130: November 02, 2012, 10:42:26 PM »
C'mon Rizzo!  You got an hour and 20 minutes to pull off a trade!

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1131: November 02, 2012, 10:44:59 PM »
Rizzo should get some Haren his chest and at least inquire about em. I want to know if he's dead or something.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1132: November 02, 2012, 10:47:16 PM »
If the Angels do trade Haren and it isn't to the Nats, I'd like to see what is given up by the other team.  If it's someone like Marmol, then the Nats were stupid not to at least offer someone like H-Rod to them for Haren.

If that is what it takes though, I would not be surprised if Haren is hurt.  Something like his back is tweaked.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1133: November 02, 2012, 11:01:52 PM »
C'mon Rizzo!  You got an hour and 20 minutes to pull off a trade!

sign Morgan, trade him to the Cubs for Marmol, then send Marmol and Justin Bloxom to the Angels for Haren.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1134: November 02, 2012, 11:03:40 PM »
Ken Rosenthal says the Cubs nixed the deal.

mlbfaketraderumors says the Angels looked at Marmol's baseball reference page. :)

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1135: November 02, 2012, 11:58:55 PM »
mlbfaketraderumors says the Angels looked at Marmol's baseball reference page. :)

Your avatar scares me.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1136: November 03, 2012, 12:20:34 AM »
Dan Haren is now a FA. Angels did not pick up his option.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1137: November 03, 2012, 12:21:02 AM »
And free agency has begun.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1138: November 03, 2012, 12:46:00 AM »
No one wants H-Rod, guys. He's not better than other horrible relievers.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1139: November 03, 2012, 12:48:17 AM »
Either there was more to the Haren to Cubs deal than was being reported or Haren is still hurt. That trade would have been an absolute steal for the Cubs; I believe the Angels were even sending some money over as well.

I hope he isn't hurt and that Rizzo makes a serious offer to him. Haren and Sanchez are the two pitchers on the market I'm most interested in.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1140: November 03, 2012, 07:47:14 AM »
Harem has got to be hurt. Pass, no more Chien Mang-Wang medical cases.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1141: November 03, 2012, 08:39:45 AM »
Harem has got to be hurt. Pass, no more Chien Mang-Wang medical cases.

Well, if we can get him for cheap, why not?

Still want GREINKE

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1142: November 03, 2012, 09:16:25 AM »
Pretty sure the Cubs are doing that "suck to get excellent draft position" thing. I'd be surprised if they acquired any top-level talent this year.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1143: November 03, 2012, 09:30:07 AM »
Pretty sure the Cubs are doing that "suck to get excellent draft position" thing. I'd be surprised if they acquired any top-level talent this year.

But had they traded for Haren they could have flipped him for a prospect or two at the deadline.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1144: November 03, 2012, 10:24:33 AM »
Kilgore on Jackson:

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The Nationals did not make a qualifying offer to starter Edwin Jackson, which means they will receive nothing if he signs elsewhere. The decision seemingly cuts the cord between the Nationals and Jackson – if they do not want to risk paying him $13.3 million for one year, they will not be competitive for his services on the free agent market.


This smells like a sweetheart deal last year with Boras.  By not offering a QO, it probably adds a few million to Jackson's offers.  A team like the Angels or Baltimore could bring him in and not lose a middling 1st round pick.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1145: November 03, 2012, 10:27:35 AM »
Royals wanted to trade one of their position players for a Mariners pitching prospect - maybe we can get in on that trade.

We get Alex Gordon
Seattle gets Rendon
Royals get whatever Seattle pitching prospect they want

Royals get to keep their younger, cheaper position players.  Seattle gets another good hitting prospect.  We get a gold glove outfielder than can lead off and hits lefty.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1146: November 03, 2012, 10:36:07 AM »
why would seattle want someone who is unproven and yet they'd have to give up a big pitching prospect?

i like rendon, but this isn't fantasy.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1147: November 03, 2012, 10:39:50 AM »


Royals wanted to trade one of their position players for a Mariners pitching prospect - maybe we can get in on that trade.

We get Alex Gordon
Seattle gets Rendon
Royals get whatever Seattle pitching prospect they want

Royals get to keep their younger, cheaper position players.  Seattle gets another good hitting prospect.  We get a gold glove outfielder than can lead off and hits lefty.

Gordon hit .248 against lefties

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1148: November 03, 2012, 10:40:26 AM »
Kilgore on Jackson:

This smells like a sweetheart deal last year with Boras.  By not offering a QO, it probably adds a few million to Jackson's offers.  A team like the Angels or Baltimore could bring him in and not lose a middling 1st round pick.


He dropped Boras didn't he?


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1149: November 03, 2012, 10:42:55 AM »

Gordon hit .248 against lefties

He bats left handed, I meant.  If LaRoche leaves, we need another guy besides Harper that bats left handed.  Otherwise, Harper will face lefty specialists once or twice a game every game.  Even as it stands, that might happen, but at least the otehr lefty masher won't have to face the loogy.