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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #200: October 15, 2012, 04:28:56 PM »
5 and 6 probably contradict. Choose between Zimm or Grienke.

They don't have to.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #202: October 15, 2012, 06:13:55 PM »
Screw greinke, go get price! :whip:  Go hard or go home!  :whip:

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« Reply #203: October 15, 2012, 07:02:13 PM »
Jackson as a five would be fine, but he's going to be looking for multiple years with decent money, and I think some team will be willing to do it- that's not something you give a number five

Not worth the money we paid him this year. Give him an increase. Based on performance? SAre you kidding. The Lerners are not stupid.

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« Reply #204: October 15, 2012, 07:16:48 PM »
Not worth the money we paid him this year. Give him an increase. Based on performance? SAre you kidding. The Lerners are not stupid.

With the TV money kicking in for everyone and the Dodgers setting the new standard, the market is about to take a major jump this year, a guy with ten wins is certain to get paid a staggering sum of money.

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« Reply #205: October 15, 2012, 09:38:59 PM »
I'm not so sure,  I think top tier guys will clean up and we'll see more big extensions,  but Jackson doesn't provide a unique enough skill set to justify the price

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #206: October 15, 2012, 09:40:45 PM »
I'd suggest people take a good hard look at the career of Zach Duke if they really think he's an option for the 2013 rotation.

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« Reply #207: October 15, 2012, 09:46:16 PM »
I'd suggest people take a good hard look at the career of Zach Duke if they really think he's an option for the 2013 rotation.

He has always given up alot of hits and home runs

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #208: October 15, 2012, 10:26:46 PM »
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Danny Knobler of CBS Sports tweets that the Blue Jays had nine different scouts in attendance for Edwin Jackson's final three regular season starts. Jackson will be a free agent this offseason, and while he'd like to return to the Nationals, he could end up elsewhere. The Jays are planning to shop aggressively this offseason.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #209: October 15, 2012, 10:35:42 PM »
We're an elite team now.  No need to settle for a mediocre #5 starter.  Go hard with Greinke, Haren, Price, or go home.

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« Reply #210: October 15, 2012, 10:38:22 PM »
Go hard with Greinke, Haren, Price, or go home.

I like it :whip:

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #211: October 15, 2012, 11:04:19 PM »
Kilgore suggests a 6 year $45 million extension for Desmond.  He's arbitration eligible now so it may not be a bad idea to lock him up.  At the same time, this is the first good full year he's had, so it would be a pretty sizable risk signing him to such a long term deal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/10/15/nationals-positional-review-part-1-infield/

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #212: October 15, 2012, 11:21:31 PM »
Kilgore suggests a 6 year $45 million extension for Desmond.  He's arbitration eligible now so it may not be a bad idea to lock him up.  At the same time, this is the first good full year he's had, so it would be a pretty sizable risk signing him to such a long term deal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/10/15/nationals-positional-review-part-1-infield/


Hold off on that for at least one more season.

Offline Upark25

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #213: October 15, 2012, 11:29:32 PM »
Like many posters here have suggested this is a really good team so I wouldn't make too many changes.

1.Resign LaRoche to a 2 year deal with an option for a third.
2. Let Jackson go and go hard after Greinke/Haren/Trade for Price
3. Trade Morse for prospects.
4. Sign Bourn/Upton.
5. Extensions for Zimmermann and Desmond.
6. Sign a veteran back end reliever Madson/Broxton

This is my dream offseason but really unlikely to happen. I can completely see the Nats not doing much at all and wait to see some of the young studs develop like Rendon/Meyer/Goodwin, all of which I expect to called up at some point next year if they are not traded. Either route is fine with me though. Expecting another 95+ win season in 2013

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #214: October 16, 2012, 12:58:27 AM »
After all of these years, I'm just going to say we aren't doing anything this off-season. I started to feel that way after the Winter Meetings last year when we didn't get crap and some weeks later we ended up with Gio Gonzalez. I got my hopes up for Prince Fielder but in the end my dreams were shattered. I don't want to be disappointed in something I know that wont happen. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #215: October 16, 2012, 04:30:50 AM »
Rixzo's big moves aren't the most predictable. Here's my wild guess,  Tigers win it this year and trade us Prince

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #216: October 16, 2012, 07:34:56 AM »
Kilgore suggests a 6 year $45 million extension for Desmond.  He's arbitration eligible now so it may not be a bad idea to lock him up.  At the same time, this is the first good full year he's had, so it would be a pretty sizable risk signing him to such a long term deal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/10/15/nationals-positional-review-part-1-infield/


That would be a bargain price.

Offline ZIM4MVP

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #217: October 16, 2012, 07:47:47 AM »
If we sign a CF, do we let LaRoche or Morse go?  Could we trade Morse + Cash/Prospect for a pitcher?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #218: October 16, 2012, 07:53:50 AM »
I go back and forth on Laroche.

On the one hand, he has shown that when he's productive when healthy. His offense is good and defensively he improves the entire infield.

On the other hand, I'm warry of giving a 32 year old coming off a career year a contract extension. Especially when we have an option year for next year. How much longer can he maintain this productivity?

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« Reply #219: October 16, 2012, 09:06:37 AM »
I go back and forth on Laroche.

On the one hand, he has shown that when he's productive when healthy. His offense is good and defensively he improves the entire infield.

On the other hand, I'm warry of giving a 32 year old coming off a career year a contract extension. Especially when we have an option year for next year. How much longer can he maintain this productivity?

I think LaRoche can copy this past year but I hope I'm not just saying that because I want it to happen. The only positive I can see from an injury to LaRoche is that Moore is his backup.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #220: October 16, 2012, 09:19:13 AM »
Especially when we have an option year for next year. How much longer can he maintain this productivity?


we don't have an option, there is a $10 million mutual option with a $1 million buyout, so if he thinks he can do better than $9 million on a one year deal, he has no reason to exercise the option

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=150

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #221: October 16, 2012, 09:22:13 AM »
Baseball reference has it as a team option.

I'm willing to believe he can produce next season, but I'm skeptical after that

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #222: October 16, 2012, 09:27:41 AM »
I don't see Price as a realistic option, but Shields might be obtainable.  TB can contend with Price - hellickson - Moore - Archer - Cobb.  Shields has 2 options, per Cots, $9 MM ($1.5MM buyout) for 2013 and $12MM ($1MM buyout) for 2014, with performance options not listed.  Price was $4.35 MM, and is going into his second option year (he was a super 2 who settled in 2012).  I don't think Price doubles his salary through arbitration, but frankly, Shields is cheap relative to comparable pitchers so perhaps Price ends up being more expensive. 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #223: October 16, 2012, 09:31:08 AM »
I don't see Price as a realistic option, but Shields might be obtainable.  TB can contend with Price - hellickson - Moore - Archer - Cobb.  Shields has 2 options, per Cots, $9 MM ($1.5MM buyout) for 2013 and $12MM ($1MM buyout) for 2014, with performance options not listed.  Price was $4.35 MM, and is going into his second option year (he was a super 2 who settled in 2012).  I don't think Price doubles his salary through arbitration, but frankly, Shields is cheap relative to comparable pitchers so perhaps Price ends up being more expensive. 

I think Price should double his salary through arbitration. Dude is Top 5 IMO.

I'd like to have Shields ...

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #224: October 16, 2012, 09:32:19 AM »
6. Sign a veteran back end reliever Madson/Broxton

I'm hoping we go after Uehara or Darren Oliver if they're available.