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Offline zimm_da_kid

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #425: October 17, 2012, 10:04:54 PM »
As compared to Melky Cabrera?

melky has more upside.  rizzo likes upside moves.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #426: October 17, 2012, 10:08:14 PM »
He did when we were on the downside of the division.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #427: October 17, 2012, 10:08:25 PM »
Melky is an jerk. 

I hope he crotch-chops himself out of the league.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #428: October 17, 2012, 10:11:58 PM »
Melky is an jerk. 

just because he lies and cheats doesn't make him a bad...yeah you're right.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #429: October 17, 2012, 10:14:21 PM »
melky has more upside.  rizzo likes upside moves.

If you take away his 2012, he hasn't even been as good as Pagan.

Cabrera - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4022&position=OF

Pagan - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2918&position=OF

Where is the upside?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #430: October 17, 2012, 10:16:31 PM »
offensive upside.  a hell of a lot of pagan's WAR comes from his defense.  Trying to measure defensive value is a bigger crapshoot than the mlb draft.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #431: October 17, 2012, 10:21:59 PM »
Popped in 2004 and 2005. Admitted to it. Took it when he had a torn muscle.

Oh crap. Well, I understand the injury part... but I wonder if he couldn't lay off the stuff. I want to believe that he did.

Also, Hamilton is the obvious choice. Sure, people want to say "blah blah blah relapse and lollygagged a fly ball" but the guy literally destroyed in a pitchers park.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #432: October 17, 2012, 10:26:56 PM »
offensive upside.  a hell of a lot of pagan's WAR comes from his defense.  Trying to measure defensive value is a bigger crapshoot than the mlb draft.

Then why not just keep Morse?  More offensive upside than both.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #433: October 17, 2012, 10:42:12 PM »
non-issue.  still a good character guy.  I'm not saying you think this way, but I feel that a lot of people think that every athlete who uses steroids is a dick.  Then they learn that one of their favorite players tested positive a while ago and they make lame excuses and try to overlook it.  steroids don't make you a dick but there are dicks who use them (A-roid).

:lmao:

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #434: October 17, 2012, 11:12:12 PM »
does anyone else like how convenient and easy it is to type werth?  w, e, r, and t are all right next to each other and h is just one row down and one button to the right of t.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #435: October 17, 2012, 11:16:24 PM »
does anyone else like how convenient and easy it is to type werth?  w, e, r, and t are all right next to each other and h is just one row down and one button to the right of t.

I never thought of that before :lol:

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #436: October 17, 2012, 11:40:26 PM »
does anyone else like how convenient and easy it is to type werth?  w, e, r, and t are all right next to each other and h is just one row down and one button to the right of t.

We can't get rid of him.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #437: October 18, 2012, 08:49:28 AM »
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/nationals-notes-desmond-morse-moore-jackson.html

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•The Nationals had preliminary talks about a contract extension with Ian Desmond earlier this season, a source told Bill Ladson of MLB.com.  Ladson adds that it would not be a surprise to see the Nats and the shortstop start up talks again this winter.  Recently, Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post suggested that Desmond could be in line for a six-year, $45MM deal.
•A source indicated that opposing teams have expressed interest in Tyler Moore.  The Nats may also look at trading Michael Morse.  Both players are best suited for first base and their fit in Washington will hinge largely on what happens with LaRoche.  As it stands now, both players figure to be involved in left field alongside Bryce Harper and Jayson Werth.
•The source told Ladson that there could be a possible domino effect if Adam LaRoche isn't re-signed this winter.  Ryan Zimmerman could potentially be moved to first base while Anthony Rendon would be given a chance to start at third.
•The same source quantified the odds of Edwin Jackson returning to the Nats at 50/50 as it seems doubtful that Rizzo would give the pitcher a long-term deal.
•It's almost a given that John Lannan will be non-tendered this offseason, according to a baseball source.  Lannan earned $5MM in 2012 and spent the bulk of the year in Triple-A.

So much wow there

I would love to know the teams interested in Moore.

I would love to have Zimmerman at first and Rendon at third, if Rendon can hit like we all hope.

Lannan not coming back is ... interesting. Couple that with the Edwin Jackson 50/50 and it's more interesting. I still want Anibal Sanchez on a 4-5 year deal at somewhere around 11-13 million per year average.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #438: October 18, 2012, 08:51:16 AM »
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/nationals-notes-desmond-morse-moore-jackson.html

So much wow there

I would love to know the teams interested in Moore.

I would love to have Zimmerman at first and Rendon at third, if Rendon can hit like we all hope.

Lannan not coming back is ... interesting. Couple that with the Edwin Jackson 50/50 and it's more interesting. I still want Anibal Sanchez on a 4-5 year deal at somewhere around 11-13 million per year average.

Why put an injury prone guy at the hot corner? I'd prefer Zimmerman to stay there.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #439: October 18, 2012, 08:53:00 AM »
Why put an injury prone guy at the hot corner? I'd prefer Zimmerman to stay there.

We already have an injury prone guy at the corner.

Rendon's injuries are ankle related. Third is the best place for him. It's also the position he's most comfortable playing.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #440: October 18, 2012, 09:00:40 AM »
We already have an injury prone guy at the corner.

Rendon's injuries are ankle related. Third is the best place for him. It's also the position he's most comfortable playing.

Zimmerman is less injury prone than Rendon. And Rendon's going to be moving to his left and right frantically while diving. Plus, I already know what I'm getting at third. I don't feel comfortable moving a guy to first and replacing him with a rookie.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #441: October 18, 2012, 09:04:19 AM »
I can't see Zim moving to 1st base anytime soon - unless there is something seriously, long term wrong with his shoulder

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #442: October 18, 2012, 09:05:11 AM »


I would love to know the teams interested in Moore.

 

a prototypical slugger who hits the ball really far?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #443: October 18, 2012, 09:09:56 AM »
Moving Zimm to 1B would certainly offset the defensive concerns with losing ALR. And this would instantly make Morse or Moore expendable. And both would be expendable if the plan is to move Werth to left and Harper to RF. But who would play center? Maybe that's what we would get in a trade for Moore or Morse....maybe the search for the white whale will pick up this winter.

The only concern I have with losing ALR is losing his LH bat.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #444: October 18, 2012, 09:12:10 AM »
I can't see Zim moving to 1st base anytime soon - unless there is something seriously, long term wrong with his shoulder

Or if they are really hot on Rendon and want to get him up soon and don't want him at 2B.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #445: October 18, 2012, 09:14:22 AM »
Or if they are really hot on Rendon and want to get him up soon and don't want him at 2B.

Yeah, I don't know - maybe.

Going from very proven to very unproven for a team that just won 98 games seems very risky to me

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #446: October 18, 2012, 09:22:41 AM »
Yeah, I don't know - maybe.

Going from very proven to very unproven for a team that just won 98 games seems very risky to me

the other option is high priced free agents and a steadily increasing payroll and age. Few teams can pull that off without crashing in a huge way. I have no problem with inserting youth where possible- we wouldn't be a 98 win team without harper last year.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #447: October 18, 2012, 09:24:17 AM »
If goodwin isn't traded he'll probably also be up sometime next year.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #448: October 18, 2012, 09:38:13 AM »
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•The source told Ladson that there could be a possible domino effect if Adam LaRoche isn't re-signed this winter.  Ryan Zimmerman could potentially be moved to first base while Anthony Rendon would be given a chance to start at third.

Nah.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #449: October 18, 2012, 09:53:50 AM »
Zimmerman is less injury prone than Rendon. And Rendon's going to be moving to his left and right frantically while diving. Plus, I already know what I'm getting at third. I don't feel comfortable moving a guy to first and replacing him with a rookie.

Zimmerman has been healthy one season out of the last five. Oh, and the dude is having serious issues throwing to first.

a prototypical slugger who hits the ball really far?


Eh, I don't think he's going to be that much of a slugging threat. He'll have a low average and low walk rate. I'm thinking Ike Davis.

Or if they are really hot on Rendon and want to get him up soon and don't want him at 2B.

This.