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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3550: January 29, 2013, 01:05:08 PM »
I'm not worried about it. This isn't the 2002 offensive environment. If you can OPS .825-.850, you can contribute at 1B if you defend well. Rendon or Zimmerman at 1B isn't going to kill the club offensively.

People count LaRoche as a huge contributor last season, and in 2002 his ~.850 OPS would have been middle of the road at 1B, at best.

the bat is still more valuable at third- last year, you had 14 first basemen with an OPS at or above .800, only 7 third basemen were over .800 (and one- Cabrera is really a first baseman). A trade would seem like the best route to maximize his value if he can't play MI

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3551: January 29, 2013, 01:19:37 PM »
At the time Espinosa tore his rotator cuff, he was around .258/.323/.423 and was on pace for 60 extra base hits and 20 home runs to go with gold glove defense.

From tearing his rotator cuff to the end of the season, he hit .181/.261/.277.

Also, the only reason Espinosa would be worried about his long-term security is if he had as stunted a view of his own skills as some people on this board. The guy is going to make a ton of money in his career (either here or elsewhere), and probably play for 10 years.

He went in for an MRI in September

He was hitting 248/.315/.401 through August
From Sept 1 till the end of the season, he hit .243/.310/.408


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3552: January 29, 2013, 01:21:26 PM »
Rendon please

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3553: January 29, 2013, 02:42:49 PM »
He went in for an MRI in September

He was hitting 248/.315/.401 through August
From Sept 1 till the end of the season, he hit .243/.310/.408




Okay, I'll be a little more precise, oh ye of little faith. According to the Washington Times article after his cortisone shot last season, he injured the shoulder on September 8th diving for a ball against the Marlins. On that date he was hitting .258/.324/.420.

For that point on he hit .171/.247/.271.

So you can pick and choose your cut-off dates if you want, but I don't really think it's fair to include 8 early September games in his "post-injury" stats when (a) he wasn't injured yet, and (b) he OPSed 1.141 in those 8 games.

Edit: article on date of injury http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/18/nationals-danny-espinosa-gets-best-news-shoulder-c/

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3554: January 29, 2013, 02:48:57 PM »
Furthermore, from July 1 through September 8th when he injured his shoulder, Espinosa had batted .294/.346/.486.

So it's probably conceivable that without the shoulder injury, his final stats would have been better than they were on September 8th.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3555: January 29, 2013, 03:06:44 PM »
At the time Espinosa tore his rotator cuff, he was around .258/.323/.423 and was on pace for 60 extra base hits and 20 home runs to go with gold glove defense.

From tearing his rotator cuff to the end of the season, he hit .181/.261/.277.

Also, the only reason Espinosa would be worried about his long-term security is if he had as stunted a view of his own skills as some people on this board. The guy is going to make a ton of money in his career (either here or elsewhere), and probably play for 10 years.

Not only that, but I'd much rather be competing for a job with Steve Lombardozzi than Anthony Rendon.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3556: January 29, 2013, 03:36:40 PM »
If anything serious happens to Gio because of these allegations, how much of a possiblity does Vasquez become?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3557: January 29, 2013, 05:41:29 PM »
Okay, I'll be a little more precise, oh ye of little faith. According to the Washington Times article after his cortisone shot last season, he injured the shoulder on September 8th diving for a ball against the Marlins. On that date he was hitting .258/.324/.420.

For that point on he hit .171/.247/.271.

So you can pick and choose your cut-off dates if you want, but I don't really think it's fair to include 8 early September games in his "post-injury" stats when (a) he wasn't injured yet, and (b) he OPSed 1.141 in those 8 games.

Edit: article on date of injury http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/18/nationals-danny-espinosa-gets-best-news-shoulder-c/


Thats nice, but rotator cuffs to just tear from diving for a ball. There was damage prior to it. And more importantly, this team was in the playoffs and allowed Espinosa to play without getting proper medical procedure done to confirm his shoulder? Thats freaking bullcrap.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3558: February 05, 2013, 01:31:44 PM »
Nats sign C Chris Snyder to a Minor League Deal
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4606&position=C

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3559: February 05, 2013, 01:34:29 PM »
Nats sign C Chris Snyder to a Minor League Deal
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4606&position=C


so do we start the "when does he start for us?" pool?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3560: February 05, 2013, 01:36:11 PM »
I guess it's just a depth signing, but it seems odd that he would start over Solano or Leon to me.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3561: February 05, 2013, 01:56:31 PM »
I guess it's just a depth signing, but it seems odd that he would start over Solano or Leon to me.
But Snyder is very veterany.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3562: February 05, 2013, 02:03:59 PM »
Nats sign C Chris Snyder to a Minor League Deal
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4606&position=C

Can I get a C- to the- H- to the- A-to the M-to the P! What does that spell?!? Championship!!!!

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3563: February 05, 2013, 02:23:43 PM »
According to Fangraphs, Snyder is a thoroughly replacement level player.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-recent-examples-of-a-replacement-level-player/

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3564: February 05, 2013, 02:57:52 PM »
I'd rather have Solano or Leon than Snyder.  I'm guessing Leon will open at AA now.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3565: February 05, 2013, 04:32:23 PM »
RHP Jeremy Accardo is ours-do. Minor league deal with invite.

MLBTR: "Accardo, 31, pitched for the Indians and Athletics in 2012. He appeared in 27 total games, posting a 4.82 ERA with 7.0 K/9 and 3.9 BB/9 in 37 1/3 innings out of the bullpen. Accardo is an eight-year MLB veteran who saved 30 games for the 2007 Blue Jays."

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3566: February 05, 2013, 04:39:39 PM »
Can I get a C- to the- H- to the- A-to the M-to the P! What does that spell?!? Championship!!!!
Actually, it just spells CHAMP.

I don't expect to ever see Accardo in DC. Snyder seems like a decent insurance policy.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3567: February 05, 2013, 04:40:46 PM »
RHP Jeremy Accardo is ours-do. Minor league deal with invite.

MLBTR: "Accardo, 31, pitched for the Indians and Athletics in 2012. He appeared in 27 total games, posting a 4.82 ERA with 7.0 K/9 and 3.9 BB/9 in 37 1/3 innings out of the bullpen. Accardo is an eight-year MLB veteran who saved 30 games for the 2007 Blue Jays."
He sucks. AAAA depth.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3568: February 05, 2013, 05:16:57 PM »
had him on my fantasy team as a waiver pickup in 2007.  I still remember that year.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3569: February 05, 2013, 05:49:44 PM »
Building dat depth.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3570: February 06, 2013, 11:21:51 AM »
Nats sign former pitcher Micah Owings to a minor league deal.  He's listed as a 1B, has a career .813 OPS.  He's demonstrated that he can hit at the big league level, it will be interesting to see where this goes.  He's only 30.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3571: February 06, 2013, 11:29:04 AM »
I'm really intrigued by Owings. Of course we have Tyler Moore at 1B as a replacement player, but I think Owings could at worst be a power bench player, and maybe at best be someone who breaks out late in his career with plus .800 OPS numbers.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3572: February 06, 2013, 11:37:23 AM »
I'm really intrigued by Owings. Of course we have Tyler Moore at 1B as a replacement player, but I think Owings could at worst be a power bench player, and maybe at best be someone who breaks out late in his career with plus .800 OPS numbers.

he may already sit atop Marrero on the depth chart.  Maybe he's Chad Tracy's replacement in a year?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3573: February 06, 2013, 12:08:18 PM »
Good signing and glad to see he has given up pitching. Could be a nice bench bat with some slight refinement.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3574: February 06, 2013, 12:51:44 PM »
he may already sit atop Marrero on the depth chart.  Maybe he's Chad Tracy's replacement in a year?

I played youth baseball vs Marrero and I totally forgot we had him. Probably says alot.