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Offline zimm_da_kid

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2750: December 07, 2012, 04:50:16 PM »
If Davey is set on bringing Derosa back, what would Lombo net in a trade?  A hard throwing lefty reliever?

trevor freaking rosenthal

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2751: December 07, 2012, 06:23:50 PM »
Curious, what kind of prospect(s) do you think Morse could land? Not looking names, but rankings. At least somebody that would instantly be in our top 10?

I know Morse is a very good player, but I figure the durability/only 1 year of club control might hurt him. Maybe I'm totally underestimating it.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2753: December 07, 2012, 06:55:22 PM »
Curious, what kind of prospect(s) do you think Morse could land? Not looking names, but rankings. At least somebody that would instantly be in our top 10?

I know Morse is a very good player, but I figure the durability/only 1 year of club control might hurt him. Maybe I'm totally underestimating it.

Paxton, a top pitching prospect from sSeattle.


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2754: December 07, 2012, 07:20:23 PM »
Paxton, a top pitching prospect from sSeattle.



#75ish prospect in baseball

Carter Capps would also be nice or at least a deal based around him.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2755: December 07, 2012, 07:36:18 PM »
If Hamilton really can be had at 3 years, any shot the Nats are interested?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2756: December 07, 2012, 07:49:43 PM »
If Hamiltion really can be had at 3 years, any shot the Nats are interested?

Do we have any place to put him?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2757: December 07, 2012, 08:28:40 PM »
If Hamiltion really can be had at 3 years, any shot the Nats are interested?

No. Not a rizzo guy. 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2758: December 07, 2012, 08:29:41 PM »
How is Hamilton not a Rizzo guy?

I mean we're full in the outfield and he wasn't a perfect fit for our roster and situation. But why does everyone keep saying that he's not a Rizzo guy?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2759: December 07, 2012, 08:53:11 PM »
Do we have any place to put him?


http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2012/03/06/texas-rangers-josh-hamilton-plans-transition-to-first-base/


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Texas Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton has plans to extend his professional baseball career by eventually transitioning to first base. Hamilton said he believes he has four more good years left as an outfielder, but his slugging ability will last far longer than his fielding capability.

Switching to first base will improve Hamilton’s value as a player by prolonging his career. A left-hander at 6’4″ tall, Hamilton has the ideal build to be a first baseman. While his athleticism as an outfielder serves him well in his prime now, it likely won’t last into his late 30s like most elite players. This is due to the wear and tear on Hamilton’s body due to heavy drug and alcohol use in his younger days.


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2760: December 07, 2012, 08:57:34 PM »
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  While his athleticism as an outfielder serves him well in his prime now, it likely won’t last into his late 30s like most elite players. This is due to the wear and tear on Hamilton’s body due to heavy drug and alcohol use in his younger days.   

To paraphrase:  "If he'd known he would be making so much money, he'd have taken better care of himself."

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2761: December 07, 2012, 08:58:58 PM »
To paraphrase:  "If he'd known he would be making so much money, he'd have taken better care of himself."
That's not quite how addiction works...

Offline BrandonK

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2762: December 07, 2012, 09:18:33 PM »
That's not quite how addiction works...

cocaine's a helluva drug

Offline imref

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2763: December 07, 2012, 09:26:09 PM »
How is Hamilton not a Rizzo guy?

I mean we're full in the outfield and he wasn't a perfect fit for our roster and situation. But why does everyone keep saying that he's not a Rizzo guy?

Rizzo likes guys who can field and don't make 25 million a year.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2764: December 07, 2012, 09:57:30 PM »
Rizzo likes guys who can field and don't make 25 million a year.

no more than $21 million

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2765: December 07, 2012, 11:11:07 PM »
Can't understand why he likes Werth, then.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2766: December 07, 2012, 11:13:35 PM »
Can't understand why he likes Werth, then.
The beard has an awesome WAR

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2767: December 07, 2012, 11:15:27 PM »
If he's capable of giving up the money to Werth, a player in decline, he'd have no problem giving the money to Hamilton.

Offline zimm_da_kid

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2768: December 07, 2012, 11:18:01 PM »
Can't understand why he likes Werth, then.

Rizzo wanted an impact signing then so he made one.  Werth has great makeup and was a late bloomer so the idea was/is that he still has plenty left in the tank.  Hamilton will age faster than most due to his alcohol and drug abuse.

Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2769: December 07, 2012, 11:20:30 PM »
Werth was over the hill when he signed here. "Message" signing or not, Werth was not a good signing.

So don't put it past Rizzo to sign Hamilton.

Offline zimm_da_kid

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2770: December 07, 2012, 11:26:53 PM »
Werth was washed up when he signed here. "Message" signing or not, Werth was not a good signing.

So don't put it past Rizzo to sign Hamilton.

To the first part:  How was Werth washed up?  In 2010 he batted .296 (.388 with 27 homers.  In 2009 he batted .268 (.373 OBP) and hit 36 homers.  Considering it was an overpay to begin with, he was hardly washed up.

To the second part:  I would put it past Rizzo to sign Hamilton because we have no space for him.  Maybe if we were in dire need of offense and had an OF spot available.  It won't happen.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2771: December 08, 2012, 01:27:27 AM »
The Dbacks signed Brandon McCarthey. I still think we should try and get Trevor Bauer. We can keep him in Triple A for a season to rehab his injury, and then next year we have Haren's replacement.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2772: December 08, 2012, 08:56:53 AM »
Werth was a great signing.  If for nothing else, the message to the rest of the league alone was worth the extra year or two they have to pay him on the tail end.  The Nats were coming off 60 something wins and the year before that, 50 something wins.  Hell the extra year or two could be justified by hitting the biggest home run in Nats history in the playoffs last year.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2773: December 08, 2012, 08:58:08 AM »
Werth was over the hill when he signed here. "Message" signing or not, Werth was not a good signing.

No, he's still on the hill.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2774: December 08, 2012, 08:59:15 AM »
The Dbacks signed Brandon McCarthey. I still think we should try and get Trevor Bauer. We can keep him in Triple A for a season to rehab his injury, and then next year we have Haren's replacement.


I think the Nats have enough injured young pitchers.  I wouldn't want to trade more to get another one. 

Here is the list of 2014 free agents - We might just end up picking from this list like we've done the past two seasons -

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html

Starting pitchers

Bronson Arroyo (37)
Scott Baker (32)
Nick Blackburn (32) - $8MM club option
A.J. Burnett (37)
Chris Capuano (35) - $8MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Chris Carpenter (39)
Bruce Chen (37)
Bartolo Colon (41)
Jorge De La Rosa (33)
R.A. Dickey (39)
Scott Feldman (30)
Gavin Floyd (31)
Jeff Francis (33)
Matt Garza (30)
Roy Halladay (37) - $20MM vesting option
Jason Hammel (31)
Aaron Harang (36) - $7MM+ mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Dan Haren (33)
Tim Hudson (38)
Phil Hughes (28)
Ubaldo Jimenez (30) - may void $8MM option for 2014
Josh Johnson (30)
Hiroki Kuroda (39)
Jon Lester (30) - $13MM club option with a $250K buyout
Colby Lewis (34)
Ted Lilly (38)
Tim Lincecum (30)
Paul Maholm (32)
Jason Marquis (35)
Ricky Nolasco (31)
Andy Pettitte (42)
Wandy Rodriguez (35) - $13MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Ervin Santana (31)
Johan Santana (34) - $25MM club option with a $5.5MM buyout
James Shields (32) - $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Vargas (31)
Edinson Volquez (30)
Tsuyoshi Wada (33) - $5MM club option
Barry Zito (36) - $18MM vesting option with a $7MM buyout


Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html#R8eAgIey49jfTRFY.99