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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2675: December 05, 2012, 07:39:59 PM »
Your still my boy Burnett!

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2676: December 05, 2012, 08:58:52 PM »
If you are referring to Burnett, he's only getting $8 million over 2 years and he's just 30 years old. 

I would have no problem giving him that.
Alden Gonzalez (Angels MLB.com beat) initially reported the higher number.

I agree 2/$8MM is high, but not outrageous.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2677: December 05, 2012, 09:05:55 PM »
Weird offseason so far.  Dodgers are the new Yankees.  Yankees are the new Orioles.  Orioles are still the Orioles.  Not sure what the Red Sox are. 

Barves treading water with Upton and maybe got a little worse with losing Bourn.  No replacement yet for Chipper.  They seem to have faith that their rotation will hold up but it doesn't look very strong to me.

No idea who the Phillies are starting in their outfield.  Dominic Brown and who else?  Also no 3rd baseman I think.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2678: December 05, 2012, 09:06:42 PM »
Barves treading water with Upton and maybe got a little worse with losing Bourn.  No replacement yet for Chipper.  They seem to have faith that their rotation will hold up but it doesn't look very strong to me.

Wren was on MLB a bit earlier, said Prado is going to 3B.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2679: December 05, 2012, 09:09:11 PM »
Wren was on MLB a bit earlier, said Prado is going to 3B.

They had Prado last year.  They need a replacement for Chipper's bat.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2680: December 05, 2012, 09:10:23 PM »
Weird offseason so far.  Dodgers are the new Yankees.  Yankees are the new Orioles.  Orioles are still the Orioles.  Not sure what the Red Sox are. 

the red-sox are the anti-nats, a terrible team that just over-paid for a bunch of guys north of 30 on the downsides of their career.  I guess Dempster is a shoe-in for that team.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2681: December 05, 2012, 09:25:22 PM »
Dodgers have 8 guys making more than $11 mil per year.  5 guys making more than $15 mil.  3 guys making more than $20 mil.

Projected payroll of $195 mil.

And that is before signing Greinke. 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/2012-roster.shtml

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« Reply #2682: December 05, 2012, 09:29:15 PM »
Dodgers have 8 guys making more than $11 mil per year.  5 guys making more than $15 mil.  3 guys making more than $20 mil.

Projected payroll of $195 mil.

And that is before signing Greinke. 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/2012-roster.shtml


We are heading towards ridiculous payrolls like that if we want to lock up all of our young core.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2683: December 05, 2012, 09:38:02 PM »
We are heading towards ridiculous payrolls like that if we want to lock up all of our young core.
Baseball is changing. Big TV deals and stupid GMs will push prices on players higher and higher. Stupid large payrolls will become necessary to keep teams together.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2684: December 05, 2012, 09:45:41 PM »
we should've brought back burnett for that price. 

cheap.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2685: December 05, 2012, 09:52:37 PM »
Dodgers have 8 guys making more than $11 mil per year.  5 guys making more than $15 mil.  3 guys making more than $20 mil.

Projected payroll of $195 mil.

And that is before signing Greinke. 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/2012-roster.shtml


The Yankees and Dodgers might both have $200+ million payrolls without projecting to be 90 win teams.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2686: December 05, 2012, 09:57:53 PM »
Yeah the Yankees are a mess.  The AL East looks totally up for grabs this year.  Blue Jays have as good a shot as any of them.  Hell they might be the favorites.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2687: December 05, 2012, 10:08:51 PM »
Kilgore wraps up the Nats at the winter meetings:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/nationals-wrap-up-their-winter-meetings-early/2012/12/05/8c9fe8ec-3f3f-11e2-bca3-aadc9b7e29c5_story.html

Highlights:
- the plan is still to sign LaRoche and trade Morse for a SP prospect.   Everyone is confident we'll keep LaRoche.
- says we're targeting J.P. Howell.
- The Nats are now an 8-1 favorite to win the WS.
- Assuming we nab LaRoche, our payroll should be around $115 million, 9th highest in the league

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2688: December 06, 2012, 01:50:26 AM »
We are heading towards ridiculous payrolls like that if we want to lock up all of our young core.

Good.  As rich as Lerner is, as rapidly as our fanbase is growing(both in DC and nationwide), as marketable as the players on the team are(not sure there is a pitcher that brings more electricity than Stras), this team is gonna have all the resources in the world to carry a high payroll.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2689: December 06, 2012, 08:16:15 AM »
SO much of this thread is turning into a what becomes of morse if ALR comes back that I'm splitting a lot into the morse or Laroche thread.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2690: December 06, 2012, 08:18:38 AM »
Yanks are cutting down below $189 million by 2014, when the more punitive luxury tax implications take hold. They will be around $200 million again in 2013 (Already projected at $189 million per b-r, without having signed any players yet). That said, a ton of commitments end in 2013 so they can hit that mark in 2014. Among the Yankees who will be free agents next offseason: Derek Jeter (won't take the $8 million player option), Robinson Cano, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Curtis Granderson, Hiroki Kuroda, Phil Hughes.

Of course, that still leaves them paying $100 million to CC Sabathia and filler (yes, I'm counting A-Rod and Tex as "filler" by then). Which means they're likely going to have a woeful team in 2014 by Yankees standards.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2691: December 06, 2012, 08:41:50 AM »
we should've brought back burnett for that price. 

cheap.

Nats are committed to about $97m in 2013 before adding in LaRoche and a lefty reliever.  They'll be at about $115m when done with the offseason.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2692: December 06, 2012, 08:43:47 AM »
phillies are close to trading for michael young, I guess they are trying to get younger. :)

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2693: December 06, 2012, 08:45:57 AM »
Nats are committed to about $97m in 2013 before adding in LaRoche and a lefty reliever.  They'll be at about $115m when done with the offseason.

Cheap! Why aren't they at 150m?!

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2694: December 06, 2012, 09:06:37 AM »
Nats are committed to about $97m in 2013 before adding in LaRoche and a lefty reliever.  They'll be at about $115m when done with the offseason.



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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2695: December 06, 2012, 11:53:17 AM »
Nats are committed to about $97m in 2013 before adding in LaRoche and a lefty reliever.  They'll be at about $115m when done with the offseason.

first time over $100 million.  hey they've only been owning the team for how many years

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2696: December 06, 2012, 11:56:47 AM »
first time over $100 million.  hey they've only been owning the team for how many years

:nono:

So then your position is that they used to be cheap but no longer are?    :shrug:

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2697: December 06, 2012, 12:05:49 PM »
Nats have lost LHP Daniel Rosenbaum to the Rockies and 2B Jeff Kobernus to the Tigers in the Rule 5 draft.

Kobernus was selected by the Red Sox then traded to the Tigers.

Both will be returned to the Nats if they don't stick all year on a major league roster.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2698: December 06, 2012, 12:05:59 PM »
first time over $100 million.  hey they've only been owning the team for how many years

:nono:

2013 will be their 7th full season, and they will have their 7th consecutive payroll increase per USA Today.

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"We feel that we had the opportunity to take a franchise and build it over a period of time, primarily by building up a very fine scouting [operation] and farm clubs," Lerner said during an interview at his downtown Washington office yesterday. "That's the number one priority."

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2699: December 06, 2012, 12:09:15 PM »
2013 will be their 7th full season, and they will have their 7th consecutive payroll increase per USA Today.

I'm not a LAC/LANC regular, so I don't care.  But for me, LAC is dead and they don't have to become plaid-jacket Steinbrenner to prove it.  I'm going with FAP, Fans Aren't Patient.

I'd avoid using FAP too often on a message board.  :lol:

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