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Offline wpa2629

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #75: October 10, 2012, 07:04:25 PM »
I'm the first person to jump on the naysayers who declare it's over before actually is, but this feels like the Caps/Habs series to some degree as it feels inevitable.

We got outplayed in the 1st game and "stole" that game, as we had no business allowing that many walks and loading the bases up like that and still winning.  We were bullied around in game 2, and game 3.  We weren't competitive and we appeared to be intimidated.  I hope I'm wrong.

This is nothing like the Caps/Habs series --

The Caps completely, utterly and thoroughly dominated that series and lost

Pretty sure that's not happening here


Caps/Lightening Series is a more apt comparison

(a lot of Caps misery to draw upon I suppose)

Sigh ...

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #76: October 10, 2012, 07:05:42 PM »
The Cards are freaked if the Nats can get just get their heads out of their asses. Simple as that, over the long haul we are the better team this year.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #77: October 10, 2012, 07:25:00 PM »
This is nothing like the Caps/Habs series --

The Caps completely, utterly and thoroughly dominated that series and lost

Pretty sure that's not happening here


Caps/Lightening Series is a more apt comparison

(a lot of Caps misery to draw upon I suppose)

Sigh ...

They fired off high volume, low percentage, desperation shots from the perimeter towards the end of that series, I don't think we dominated.

The Caps/Lighting series is a good comparison too, because even though "we're only down 1", "we're only down 2", etc we were down by so much more than that when you actually watched the games.  That's the problem with this series.  We are 1-2 in this series but that one win was theft and the other two aren't encouraging.

I'm not hoping for ONE win tomorrow, I'm hoping that everything we've seen the past few days is a mirage and we do a 180.  That's not encouraging.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #78: October 10, 2012, 07:27:22 PM »
But where would that 180 start? One win.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #79: October 10, 2012, 07:28:25 PM »
They fired off high volume, low percentage, desperation shots from the perimeter towards the end of that series, I don't think we dominated.

The Caps/Lighting series is a good comparison too, because even though "we're only down 1", "we're only down 2", etc we were down by so much more than that when you actually watched the games.  That's the problem with this series.  We are 1-2 in this series but that one win was theft and the other two aren't encouraging.

I'm not hoping for ONE win tomorrow, I'm hoping that everything we've seen the past few days is a mirage and we do a 180.  That's not encouraging.

Nice avatar Grizz.   Could it be George Caleb Bingham or Frederick Remington?

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #80: October 10, 2012, 07:30:56 PM »
But where would that 180 start? One win.

I'm new to baseball, does that sort of thing happen in this sport?  How fast does momentum change?

I saw a stat that showed how "hot" the last few World Series winners were during the month of September and it led me to believe it's a slower build up than other sports.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #81: October 10, 2012, 07:31:34 PM »
Nice avatar Grizz.   Could it be George Caleb Bingham or Frederick Remington?

No idea, haha.  I've had it for years, I forgot where I found it.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #82: October 10, 2012, 07:32:40 PM »
They fired off high volume, low percentage, desperation shots from the perimeter towards the end of that series, I don't think we dominated.

The Caps/Lighting series is a good comparison too, because even though "we're only down 1", "we're only down 2", etc we were down by so much more than that when you actually watched the games.  That's the problem with this series.  We are 1-2 in this series but that one win was theft and the other two aren't encouraging.

I'm not hoping for ONE win tomorrow, I'm hoping that everything we've seen the past few days is a mirage and we do a 180.  That's not encouraging.

Yeah, I totally don't buy the high volume, low percentage perimeter drum Caps fans were beating about that series. Caps out-shot the Habs something like 60 shots to 19 in game 6 - that's absurd - Caps spent the majority of that entire series on offense. Besides, that series was ultimately lost because of a waived off goal for goalie interference that never happened in game 7 - awesome

I said the lightening series because it felt like we were never in it - but that's really not what's happening here.

I dont' think the Nats stole game 1 at all. Nats actually left more runners on base in game 1 than the Cardinals. But the Nats got the big hit when they needed to, made all the big pitches that they needed to.

In these last 2 games, Nats have had endless chances. They've left 30 men on base the last 2 games - Nats are not being out-matched or out-classed, they're simply not executing.

Not making the good pitch when they need to
Not getting the big hit when they need to

It's not like they're not capable.

I still think the Nats are more than able to win the next two games.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #83: October 10, 2012, 09:57:20 PM »
No. 

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #84: October 10, 2012, 10:23:45 PM »
You going tomorrow? Talk that crap to my face nag.

Your trash cow town franchise's days are numbered.

You must be the forum tough guy. You also couldn't have proven my point anymore then you just did. The cardinals are just doing everything championship teams do. Their hitters, starting pitching, bullpen, and base running have just been better.  The only reason the cardinals had such a bad regular season record is because the bullpen was a mess during the middle of the season. Figure out the 7th, 8th, 9th, add a few young power arms and, well, you see the result.

You're not tough, your team doesn't deserve respect based on one season, and quit thinking about what if we still had Strasburg.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #85: October 10, 2012, 10:25:53 PM »
You must be the forum tough guy. You also couldn't have proven my point anymore then you just did, either. The cardinals are just doing everything championship teams do. Their hitters, starting pitching, bullpen, and base running have just been better.  The only reason the cardinals had such a bad regular season record is because the bullpen was a mess during the middle of the season. Figure out the 7th, 8th, 9th, add a few young power arms and, well, you see the result.

You're not tough, your team doesn't deserve respect based on one season, and quit thinking about what if we still had Strasburg.

Can you just...leave here?  And take Bob Carpenter with you.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #86: October 10, 2012, 10:31:17 PM »
Can you just...leave here?  And take Bob Carpenter with you.

No. Let him stay. By Friday night he will be spreading ass cheeks to invite deeper ramming.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #87: October 10, 2012, 10:33:19 PM »
Can you just...leave here?  And take Bob Carpenter with you.

why? This is what fans do during the postseason. Have some fun with it. This series isn't over, not even when you're down to your last strike, twice.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #88: October 10, 2012, 11:02:10 PM »
Enough with the flame war for 24 2 hours.  If there is a game 5, then feel free to post.  and when you get back here, drop this sort of BS:
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your team doesn't deserve respect based on one season, and quit thinking about what if we still had Strasburg.

You come to a team message board and not expect some rally talk for the team?  That looks like you are trying to start something.  I like the content you have posted and don't mind talking about the Cards and how the team has progressed over the year.  I have never taken a discipline step against an out of town poster before, and we get some Philly fans pretty often.  But it isn't like Obed fed a cardinal to a cat (don't kid yourself, mascots have been choked before to psyche up teams).  It's a take on Bluto, that's all.  Think for a bit then come back if you like.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #89: October 11, 2012, 12:11:39 AM »
Well then, so much for that Rejkavik summit  :lol:

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #90: October 11, 2012, 08:23:12 AM »
I over-reacted.  Cards12in12 should feel free to post.  We've backed down the warning to allow posting.

All - We can't really have a knowledgeable discussion about the Cards without letting folks who follow the Cards post.  The assumption should not be automatic that they are just here to flame back and forth, agitate, and waste our time.  That said, let's be clear that there is going to be some "rally talk" about frying birds, etc... on a nats board and this is not an invitation for fans of opponents to bounce back with insults.  That only escalates and detracts from the board.  I see that (and I think any other mod or The Chief), and I start deleting posts and will even hand out a time out for few hours to let things settle a bit.

As for the basic question, are these teams equal?  Not the past two days, but prior performance is not a guarantee of future performance, except in the mindfact world.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #91: October 11, 2012, 08:28:19 AM »

No one cares about the Cardinals or Missouri for that matter. If the Nats can get their heads out of their asses, they have the ability to crush your precious little team and as they gain more experience they will only grow stronger. The Cards are atrocious on the road and managed to sneak into the playoffs on one of the most egregious technicalities in sports since the NHL abolished the red line. Think back to those poundings the Nationals gave the Cardinals in our house and that is what you can expect if this team gets over the jitters and plays up to its potential.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #92: October 11, 2012, 08:33:59 AM »
Oh, about doing damage to a mascot:

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Did a Harvard coach once strangle a bulldog to motivate his team to beat Yale?
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FOOTBALL URBAN LEGEND: The coach of Harvard once strangled a live bulldog to death to motivate his team to defeat the Yale Bulldogs.

Percy Haughton was, without a doubt, the most successful football coach in the history of Harvard Crimson football. . . .

The legend goes that Haughton actually strangled a live bulldog before the game in front of his players to motivate them to victory.  . . .

While I found nothing confirming the incident, I did come across a number of later accounts suggesting that Haughton had created a Bulldog doll (presumably out of Papier-mâché), and he had strangled THAT. In addition, that he had attached the doll to his car and drove around town dragging the doll. In an excellent historical study on the Harvard/Yale rivalry a few years back, John Powers of the Boston Globe mentioned the doll theory.

I find the doll theory to be such a clear choice that I feel confident stating it to be the truth.



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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #93: October 11, 2012, 08:37:21 AM »
Obed - come on.  Enough with the fight stuff.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #94: October 11, 2012, 08:39:39 AM »
Anyone remember Craig McTavish tearing out Harvey the Hound's tongue at an Oilers/Flames war, er, game a number of years back?  While I don't generally think that the mutilation of mascots is necessary, there have been plenty of times where I wanted the Phanatic to meet a fiery end. 

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #95: October 11, 2012, 08:39:49 AM »
Letting Cards trolls in here sucks.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #96: October 11, 2012, 10:04:39 AM »
I'm new to baseball, does that sort of thing happen in this sport?  How fast does momentum change?

I saw a stat that showed how "hot" the last few World Series winners were during the month of September and it led me to believe it's a slower build up than other sports.

The playoffs are a small sample size, so more often than you think. Look how many series the Cardinals had to come back to win last year. Look at how the Giants just pulled even with the Reds after being thoroughly outclassed in the first 2 games.

And you're right that it's usually the hot teams that make it through. The problem is that the NL this year didn't really have a team like that other than perhaps the Giants. It certainly wasn't the Cardinals. They wouldn't have even made the playoffs if the Dodgers didn't play even worse than they did in September.

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #97: October 11, 2012, 10:18:08 AM »
Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
« Reply #98: October 11, 2012, 10:22:22 AM »
Four legs good, two legs bad

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Re: Are the Cardinals and Nats equal teams?
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