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Offline wpa2629

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #100: November 12, 2012, 06:51:53 PM »
Congrats!

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #101: November 12, 2012, 07:00:06 PM »
Well deserved

Trout should be MVP. He probably won't be because the voters are retarded, but he should be.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #102: November 12, 2012, 07:04:05 PM »
send him down so he avoids the sophmore slump!

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #103: November 12, 2012, 07:06:12 PM »
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Harper the right choice for NL ROY
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The rookie of the year awards were announced Tuesday, with Mike Trout (not surprisingly) winning in the American League, and Bryce Harper winning in the NL.

I voted in the NL, so let's start there. It was the first time I've had the opportunity to vote for rookie of the year since joining the Baseball Writers' Association of America a few years ago, and it's an award that I enjoy discussing more than the others because it connects to the part of my job that revolves around scouting and evaluating prospects. This year's NL crop was a deep one but had just one true breakout prospect, so he was at the top of the ballot I filed the day after the season ended.

1. Bryce Harper, Washington Nationals
2. Wade Miley, Arizona Diamondbacks
3. Norichika Aoki, Milwaukee Brewers

Filling out this ballot turned out to be easier than I had expected it to be when September began, thanks to a .330/.400/.643 month from Harper that saw him pull away from Aoki and Todd Frazier and edge ahead of Miley for the top spot on my ballot. Harper ended the season at 4.9 WAR (FanGraphs' version), with roughly four wins coming from his bat and about two-thirds of a win coming from the defensive value of his arm alone, enough to put him in a virtual tie with Miley at 4.8 WAR (FanGraphs) for tops among NL rookies.

I put Harper over Miley, even with my reluctance to rely too much on the precision of advanced defensive metrics, for a variety of reasons that come down to the essence of the award itself. The purpose of this award has to be to highlight a rising star in the game and to help further the image and the marketing of the sport by pointing out to all fans, "Hey, watch this guy, because he's going to be great for a long time." Harper performed at an extremely high level this year, posting one of the best seasons by a teenager in baseball history, and also has the greatest potential of any NL rookie in this class to end up an MVP-caliber player. Those factors elevated him over Miley, who had a solid season he may repeat many times, but who is five years Harper's senior and who isn't likely to become a Cy Young contender at his peak.

Whether you rely on Fangraphs or Baseball-Reference for WAR figures, Harper's total ranks as the best by any teenage position player ever. The next four, per Baseball-Reference, are Mel Ott, Edgar Renteria, Ken Griffey Jr. and Ty Cobb -- two Hall of Famers and one future member in the set. The only teenagers to post higher slugging percentages in a season (minimum 300 plate appearances) than Harper's .477 were Ott and Tony Conigliaro. The only teenagers to post higher OBPs were Ott, Renteria, Cobb, Conigliaro, Mickey Mantle, and former Washington Senator Buddy Lewis, who might be better known today had he not spent his time from age 25 to 27 flying for the U.S. Air Force in World War II. Harper is in some pretty elite company already, and he just turned 20 a few weeks ago. Had Miley blown him away in straight performance, I would have reversed the names, but they were roughly equal on the field, and the context gives a large edge to Harper.

The last spot came down to Aoki and Todd Frazier, with Aoki winning almost by default when Dusty Baker made Frazier a part-time player, a role in which Frazier struggled although the two issues may not be connected. Aoki played more and contributed more value on defense, something that will always be an issue for Frazier, whose best position is probably left field, but whose OBPs will be a problem at one of the diamond's highest-offense spots. Neither player was that young in 2012, nor does either player project to be a star. I could have easily put Frazier in Aoki's spot, choosing to give it to the slightly more well-rounded player who also garnered more playing time. Mike Fiers was the only other name in the mix, and would have been fifth if the ballot had more spots, although the more the league saw him, the worse he pitched.

No other player merited serious consideration for the top three spots. Anthony Rizzo could have made this interesting had he spent all season in the majors, but in 87 games he couldn't come close to Aoki's or Frazier's production, let alone Harper's. Wilin Rosario's 28 homers from behind the plate might get him some attention, but he's a brutal receiver and did nearly all of his offensive damage at Coors Field. Lance Lynn shows up on some leaderboards as a rookie but lost his eligibility in 2011 due to the number of days he spent on the 25-man roster.

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Offline Slateman

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #104: November 12, 2012, 07:15:15 PM »
If Frazier had kept playing full time, this would have been a far more interesting decision.


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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #106: November 12, 2012, 07:17:12 PM »
What?!? People in China get it!

..  and Loudoun County.   :P

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #107: November 12, 2012, 07:20:27 PM »
It's not available in Lynchburg on Comcast, either.

Then the terrorists have won.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #108: November 12, 2012, 07:39:48 PM »
Then the terrorists have won.

Listen to FoxNews. The terrorists won last Tuesday.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #109: November 12, 2012, 07:43:33 PM »
Listen to FoxNews. The terrorists won last Tuesday.

FoxNews will make hair grow in your palm.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #110: November 12, 2012, 07:50:47 PM »
Bam Bam k hocks it out of the park

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #111: November 12, 2012, 09:44:58 PM »
NL ROY ballots, http://bbwaa.com/12-nl-roy

Who is Deron Snyder?

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #112: November 12, 2012, 10:17:27 PM »
Who And Rha!

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #113: November 12, 2012, 10:19:56 PM »
love this part PC:

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Whether you rely on Fangraphs or Baseball-Reference for WAR figures, Harper's total ranks as the best by any teenage position player ever. The next four, per Baseball-Reference, are Mel Ott, Edgar Renteria, Ken Griffey Jr. and Ty Cobb -- two Hall of Famers and one future member in the set. The only teenagers to post higher slugging percentages in a season (minimum 300 plate appearances) than Harper's .477 were Ott and Tony Conigliaro. The only teenagers to post higher OBPs were Ott, Renteria, Cobb, Conigliaro, Mickey Mantle, and former Washington Senator Buddy Lewis, who might be better known today had he not spent his time from age 25 to 27 flying for the U.S. Air Force in World War II. Harper is in some pretty elite company already, and he just turned 20 a few weeks ago. Had Miley blown him away in straight performance, I would have reversed the names, but they were roughly equal on the field, and the context gives a large edge to Harper.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #114: November 12, 2012, 10:42:41 PM »
Bryce Harper deserves the award. Simple as that.

Offline Mattionals

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #115: November 13, 2012, 01:36:47 PM »
I think it is really hard to choose between a pitcher and a position player for these types of awards.  Miley had great stats as a rookie, but Harper played almost everyday since his callup in May.  Harper was playing damn near elite center field and hit .270 with 22 bombs.  Position player > pitcher unless the pitcher had an elite year.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #116: November 13, 2012, 04:26:56 PM »
Can't remember where I said it: Harper is the first Washington baseball player to win ROY since Bob Allison, 1959, who followed little Albie Pearson in 1958. (Still can't believe Albie was ROY).

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #117: November 13, 2012, 05:18:28 PM »
Franchise's first since Andre Dawson in 1977.  Before he was lost in the Ivy.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #118: November 13, 2012, 06:19:00 PM »
and your 2012 NL manager of the year is none other than davey johnson.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #119: November 13, 2012, 06:19:26 PM »
Good for Davey!

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #120: November 13, 2012, 06:24:11 PM »
and your 2012 NL manager of the year is none other than davey johnson.

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Glad to hear Davey won! Well deserved, and even more glad to know he will be retiring from managing in Washington, D.C.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #121: November 13, 2012, 06:29:58 PM »
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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #122: November 13, 2012, 06:35:43 PM »
Outstanding !

Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #123: November 13, 2012, 06:40:29 PM »
Good for Davey!

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #124: November 13, 2012, 09:05:17 PM »
Davey Johnson: First hall of famer to be enshrined in Nats colors?


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