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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #25: October 03, 2012, 02:09:33 PM »
Eh, I don't know about that. The Angels have much better players all around. They should be in the playoffs. The Tigers? I don't know. They have one of, if not, the best 3-4 connection in the entire league, but they don't really have much offensively aside from those two. Fielder would not have been able to take that team himself. Verlander can only do so much every 5th day.... then again, he put the Tigers on his back last year by himself and won the MVP because of it. I'd say it could go either way for the MVP title too, but triple crown is really hard to do :lol: .

Like JCA said, Trout really did improve the team, but I think without him, the Angels would've started competing anyway. Without Miggy, the Tigers probably wouldn't be where they are right now.

At least the Angels have the excuse of the division they're in, with the Rangers and the ridiculously surprising As - Tigers play in a miserable division - really no excuse for them to suck as much they did

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« Reply #26: October 03, 2012, 02:27:39 PM »
LOL at Miguel Cabrera losing MVP in a triple crown season. Not saying Trout doesn't deserve it, but damn what more could Cabrera have done?

I dunno, maybe not had the worst defense at third base in all of baseball? Maybe slimmed down and stolen a few more bases?

Triple Crown is antiquated from a time when RBIs mattered. They don't. They're a result of the people hitting in front of you. Cabrera had 205 PAs with men in scoring position, Trout had 133. You hit Trout 4th in that lineup and Trout has as many RBIs as Cabrerra.

It isn't the award for the most valuable hitter. It's player. Cabrerra is NOT  complete player. He's a liability in the field and he's mediocre on the base paths. Trout is the best player. He plays elite defense. He runs the bases very well, is an excellent base stealer, hits for an elite average and hit 30 home runs. Not exactly a small amount.

Trout isn't having the best season of the year. He's having one of the best seasons in the history of baseball.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #27: October 03, 2012, 02:34:02 PM »
Trout isn't having the best season of the year. He's having one of the best seasons in the history of baseball.

This. This is one of the most amazing seasons ever.

Trout has 49 steals and 30 homers. This is the total list of players who have had 49 steals and 30 homers in one season: Barry Bonds, Eric Davis.

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« Reply #28: October 03, 2012, 02:35:16 PM »
This. This is one of the most amazing seasons ever.

Trout has 49 steals and 30 homers. This is the total list of players who have had 49 steals and 30 homers in one season: Barry Bonds, Eric Davis.

That's it

That's the list

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #29: October 03, 2012, 02:38:40 PM »
Ironically, Davis didn't win the MVP. Bonds did though. Trout has been more successful than Bonds was. Has a higher average. And scored more runs.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #30: October 03, 2012, 03:02:45 PM »
Oh and if Darwin Barney doesn't win a GG, then the award is completely meaningless

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #31: October 03, 2012, 03:07:04 PM »
RA shouldn't win the Cy Young just because he plays for the Mets.  Don't give that franchise ANY hope of ever mattering in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #32: October 03, 2012, 04:41:00 PM »
I don't think it should be Zim and I thought Aramis Ramirez had the best numbers - :shrug:




According to fangraphs, it's wright.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #33: October 03, 2012, 05:09:27 PM »
UZR is bullcrap.

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« Reply #34: October 03, 2012, 05:17:01 PM »
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According to fangraphs, it's wright.


I wasn't doubting you, I just thought it was Ramirez

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #35: October 03, 2012, 05:34:39 PM »
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UZR is bullcrap and so is RZR, DRS, and every other measure of defense that does not confirm my bias and shows others consistently better
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That's what you really mean, right?  Zimmerman is impressive with getting to balls most 3B wouldn't (thus his high OOZ), but you can't say he was "steady" and was as consistent at converting balls he got to into outs. 

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #36: October 03, 2012, 10:32:29 PM »
Can't the league have a "Player of the Year" award?  Would fix this debate really fast.

The Sporting News has been awarding a " Player of the Year" for over 80 years

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #37: October 03, 2012, 10:42:14 PM »
I wasn't doubting you, I just thought it was Ramirez

I didn't think you did, I just looked it up and figured it was cool to post.  No worries!  ;)

Also, Nats finish with the best run-differential this year.  As of right now, they also have sole possession of the number one record overall with 98 wins!  Great year!

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« Reply #38: October 03, 2012, 10:57:12 PM »
And, the Nats are the only team with 98 wins.  Best record through and through.  Best Run Differential.  Most complete team in baseball right here.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #39: October 04, 2012, 12:18:23 AM »
but... but...

Alfie had a 46/41 year once.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #40: October 04, 2012, 10:54:13 AM »
And, the Nats are the only team with 98 wins.  Best record through and through.  Best Run Differential.  Most complete team in baseball right here.


Nats were tied for third in OPS+ and second in ERA+.  So, third best offense and second best pitching in the NL. 

Giants (when you include Melky) and Cards were tied for first in OPS+ but were around league average in pitching.  Barves had league average hitting but were just behind the Nats in pitching.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2012.shtml

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #41: October 04, 2012, 10:56:18 AM »
but... but...

Alfie had a 46/41 year once.



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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #42: October 04, 2012, 11:15:27 PM »
D.C Sports Writers awards for 2012 are out:

http://dc-ibwaa.blogspot.com/2012/10/dc-internet-baseball-writers.html

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2012 WASHINGTON NATIONALS PLAYER ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS

Goose Goslin Most Valuable Player
(Player most valuable to the success of the Washington Nationals):

1st: Adam LaRoche (68 points, 9 first place votes)
2nd: Ian Desmond (47 points, 5 first place votes)
3rd: Gio Gonzalez (32 points, 53 first place votes)

Others receiving votes: Ryan Zimmerman (18), Bryce Harper (9-one first place vote), Stephen Strasburg (4).

Walter Johnson Starting Pitcher of the Year
(Excellent performance as a starting pitcher):

1st: Gio Gonzalez (100 points, 205 first place votes)
2nd: Stephen Strasburg (47 points)
3rd: Jordan Zimmermann (16 points)

Others receiving votes: Ross Detwiler (3).

Frederick "Firpo" Marberry Relief Pitcher of the Year
(Excellent performance as a relief pitcher):

1st: Tyler Clippard (94 points, 16 first place votes)
2nd: Craig Stammen (38 points, 3 first place votes)
3rd: Sean Burnett (24 points)

Others receiving votes: Drew Storen (17), Michael Gonzalez (2), Ryan Mattheus (2), Tom Gorzelanny (1), Christian Garcia (1).

Sam Rice Hitter of the Year
(Excellence in all-around hitting, situational hitting and baserunning):

1st: Ian Desmond (51 points, 7 first place votes)
2nd: Adam LaRoche (47 points, 5 first place votes)
3rd: Ryan Zimmerman (33 points, 4 first place votes)

Others receiving votes: Bryce Harper (28-three first place votes), Jayson Werth (18-one first place vote), Danny Espinosa (2).

Frank Howard Slugger of the Year
(Excellence in power hitting):

1st: Adam LaRoche (90 points, 18 first place votes)
2nd:  Ian Desmond (30 points)
3rd: Ryan Zimmerman (19 points)

Others receiving votes: Bryce Harper (14), Michael Morse (10-one first place vote), Danny Espinosa (2).

Joe Judge Defensive Player of the Year
(Excellence in fielding):

1st: Ryan Zimmerman (53 points, 7 first place votes) 
2nd: Danny Espinosa (38 points, 5 first place votes)
3rd: Ian Desmond (37 points, 4 first place votes)

Others receiving votes: Adam LaRoche (19--two first place votes), Bryce Harper (20--two first place votes), Roger Bernadina (7), Kurt Suzuki (3).

Mickey Vernon Comeback Player of the Year
(Player who overcame biggest obstacle in the preceding season to contribute on the field):

1st: Adam LaRoche (75 points, 12 first place votes)
2nd: Stephen Strasburg (46 points, 4 first place votes)
3rd: Jayson Werth (29 points, 3 first place votes)

Others receiving votes: Ian Desmond (6), Ross Detwiler (5--one first place vote), Ryan Zimmerman (3), Chad Tracy (2), Jesus Flores (1), Michael Morse (1), Roger Bernadina (1), John Lannan (1), Sean Burnett (1), Christian Garcia (1).

Josh Gibson Humanitarian Player of the Year
(Player who meritoriously gave of himself to the community):

1st: Ryan Zimmerman (89 points, 16 first place votes)
2nd: Ian Desmond (12 points, 1 first place vote)
3rd: Gio Gonzalez (9 points, 1 first place vote)

Others receiving votes: Drew Storen (9), Wilson Ramos (5--one first place vote), Bryce Harper (5), Stephen Strasburg (3), Tyler Moore (1).

Minor League Player of the Year
(Minor league player most destined for big league success):

1st: Matt Skole (30 points, 3 first place votes)
2nd: Nathan Karns (24 points, 3 first place vote)
3rd: Eury Perez (15 points, 1 first place votes)

Others receiving votes: Brian Goodwin (13--two first place votes), Alex Meyer (12--one first place vote), Danny Rosenbaum (11--two first place votes), Christian Garcia (11--two first place votes), Corey Brown (7--one first place vote), Anthony Rendon (4), Johnatan Solano (3), John Lannan (2).

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #43: October 04, 2012, 11:30:00 PM »
How did Gio get 53 first place votes and not win the MVP?  ;)

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #44: October 05, 2012, 08:44:49 AM »
How is Bryce Harper not in any of those!?

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #45: October 05, 2012, 08:55:24 AM »
How did Gio get 53 first place votes and not win the MVP?  ;)

He was probably either 1st or 3rd on most ballots.  Scoring was 5 for first, 3 for second, 1 for third.




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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #46: October 05, 2012, 08:55:43 AM »
How is Bryce Harper not in any of those!?

No RoY, but he was in the running for several others.

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #47: October 05, 2012, 08:56:01 AM »
More from the writers:

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SURVEY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

1. What player was the biggest surprise for the Nats this season? Adam LaRoche (11), Ian Desmond (5), Ross Detwiler (3), Craig Stammen (1), Bryce Harper (1), Jayson Werth (1), Win/Loss Record (1).

2. What player was the biggest disappointment for the Nats this season? Chien-Ming Wang (5), Wilson Ramos injury (2), Brad Lidge (2), Jesus Flores (2), Henry Rodriguez (2), Danny Espinosa (2), Mark DeRosa (1), Drew Storen injury (1), Strasburg Shutdown (1).

3. Will the Nats sign Adam LaRoche and/or Edwin Jackson to a long-term contract extension before they reach free agency? Yes-both (2), No-both (7), LaRoche (8 ), Jackson (0), One or the other (1).

4. Which players on the 40-man roster at the end of the season are least likely to return in 2010? Chien-Ming Wang (11), Mark DeRosa (10), Edwin Jackson (7), Jesus Flores (6), Adam LaRoche (5), Michael Gonzalez (5), Tom Gorzelanny (4), Zach Duke (3), Chad Tracy (3), Henry Rodriguez (1), Michael Morse (1), Tyler Clippard (1).

5. Who is your favorite professional Nationals writer? Mark Zuckerman (6), Adam Kilgore (6), Dan Steinberg (2), Amanda Comak (1), Tom Boswell (1), Thom Loverro (1).

6. Who is your favorite non-professional Nationals writer? Dave Nichols-District Sports Page (5), Nats Enquirer (3), Harper Gordek-Nationals Baseball (2), Patrick Reddington-Federal Baseball (1), Andrew Kinback-Nationals Inquisition (1), Luke Erickson-Nationals Prospects (1), Joe Drugan-The Nats Blog (1), Rachel Levitin-WeLoveDC.com (1).

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #48: November 07, 2012, 06:44:41 PM »
Gio finalist for Cy Young
Bryce finalist for ROY
Davey finalist for MOY

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Re: 2012 Regular Season Awards
« Reply #49: November 07, 2012, 06:54:50 PM »
Gio finalist for Cy Young
Bryce finalist for ROY
Davey finalist for MOY


 :clap: :panic:

Good luck to all of them, Bryce and Davey have really good chances at getting their respective awards in my mind.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2012/11/07/davey-johnson-finalist-for-nl-manager-of-the-year-bryce-harper-for-rookie-of-the-year-gio-gonzalez-for-cy-young-award/