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Offline The Chief

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General Offense Discussion
« Topic Start: April 16, 2012, 12:09:35 PM »
None of the existing threads really seemed appropriate for this kind of trivia so I figured I'd just make a catch-all thread for discussing the offense.

Through 10 games, the 2012 Nats have scored 39 runs.
Through 10 games, the 2011 Nats scored 43 runs.

The 2011 Nats had the lowest #RS of any team since the franchise moved to DC.

Other teams through 10 games:

2010 - 45
2009 - 50
2008 - 44
2007 - 23 :shock:
2006 - 42
2005 - 41

Doesn't *really* mean anything, of course.  I just thought it would make an interesting snapshot.

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #1: April 16, 2012, 12:12:53 PM »
Chief - are you one of those "Glass Is Half Empty" types of people ?

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #2: April 16, 2012, 12:13:26 PM »
My wildest wet dream fantasy is for us to trade for shin soo choo at the deadline to bat 2nd

Offline RobDibblesGhost

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #3: April 16, 2012, 12:13:57 PM »
Our stellar pitching (hopefully it continues) somewhat compensates for the lack of the production at the plate. 

For comparison purposes, here's the rest of the NL East:
Mets - 30
Atlanta - 41
Philadelphia - 28
Miami - 36

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #4: April 16, 2012, 12:19:19 PM »
^^^  Right, we just need to be less offensively futile than everyone else ;)

I'm looking forward to seeing how we match up with the division head to head.

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #5: April 16, 2012, 12:20:22 PM »
Offense has been terrible.  Basically 3 guys out of the 8 starting position players have been hitting.  Flores has been good in part time duty and Chad Tracy saved our azzes the first few games - since then, he's looked as bad as everyone else.

Offline MarquisDeSade

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #6: April 16, 2012, 12:28:39 PM »
Offense has been terrible.  Basically 3 guys out of the 8 starting position players have been hitting.  Flores has been good in part time duty and Chad Tracy saved our azzes the first few games - since then, he's looked as bad as everyone else.

This is probably Mindfacting¬ģ on my part, but I don't think anyone is on fire with the offense this season. 

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #7: April 16, 2012, 01:31:01 PM »
Werth, LaRoche, and Desi have been above average.  Espi, Zim, Ramos, and LF have been below average. Even if everyone regresses to career norms, we are going to have a very average offense at best until Morse and hopefully Harper come to the rescue.

I would not expect a trade for a CF unless Harper is not ready by the trade deadline.

That's what I'm feeling about the offense on a very macro level.

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #8: April 16, 2012, 01:32:10 PM »
I really thought this thread was going to be about Patton's ETO campaign vs. Montgomery in North Africa.  Oh well.

Offline Slateman

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #9: April 16, 2012, 02:05:26 PM »
Offense is still an issue with this team. Personally, I think DeRosa needs to step up and hit, or get put back on the bench. Lombardozzi or maybe even Moore should get some playing time.

Offline aspenbubba

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #10: April 16, 2012, 02:14:17 PM »
Offense is still an issue with this team. Personally, I think DeRosa needs to step up and hit, or get put back on the bench. Lombardozzi or maybe even Moore should get some playing time.

Is DeRosa our Stares of 2012?

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #11: April 16, 2012, 02:22:09 PM »
Where's the General Pitching Discussion thread?  That'll be much more cheery.

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #12: April 16, 2012, 02:23:56 PM »
Where's the General Pitching Discussion thread?  That'll be much more cheery.


http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=26205.0

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #13: April 16, 2012, 02:51:46 PM »
Our stellar pitching (hopefully it continues) somewhat compensates for the lack of the production at the plate. 

For comparison purposes, here's the rest of the NL East:
Mets - 30
Atlanta - 41
Philadelphia - 28
Miami - 36

This is a good point, and its one of those context things I always forget - the overall offense is down in the NL for the last several years and will probably continue to be down - sluggers (Fielder, Pujols) left to the AL and a lot of teams have good rotations.  Rather than score more than we did last year, if we just duplicate what we did last year while others regress, that's progress. 

Still, though, I worry that what we've seen will be more or less like this - Desmond and LaRoche will cool off, Zimm will heat up, Morse will come back, someone else will get hurt, etc.  WYSIWYG.

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #14: April 16, 2012, 03:20:58 PM »
Is DeRosa our Stares of 2012?

Eh, I hope not. But I think we need to at least have a season long plan at LF. DeRosa isn't hitting like it. Morse is guaranteed to be 100% when he comes back. I think the Nats know this and that's why Tyler Moore is getting time in LF at Syracuse

Offline nobleisthyname

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #15: April 16, 2012, 04:37:39 PM »
Eh, I hope not. But I think we need to at least have a season long plan at LF. DeRosa isn't hitting like it. Morse isn't guaranteed to be 100% when he comes back. I think the Nats know this and that's why Tyler Moore is getting time in LF at Syracuse

FTFY

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #16: April 16, 2012, 05:04:37 PM »
Very few are tearing it up in Syracuse.  Harper is hitting .220.  Tyler Moore is a respectable .297 though.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=552&stn=true&sid=t552

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #17: April 16, 2012, 05:40:04 PM »
FTFY


Yea, that's what I meant. Thanks :D

Very few are tearing it up in Syracuse.  Harper is hitting .220.  Tyler Moore is a respectable .297 though.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=552&stn=true&sid=t552


Moore is impressing so far. A lot of people thought his average would take a big hit in Triple A and he would be an all or nothing hitter. Granted, it's a small sample size.

Adam Dunn-ish production?


Offline Slateman

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #18: April 16, 2012, 09:07:16 PM »
Lineup:

1. Desmond SS
2. Lombardozzi LF
3. Zimmerman 3B
4. Laroche 1B
5. Werth RF
6. Espinosa 2B
7. Ankiel CF
8. Ramos/Flores C


Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #19: April 16, 2012, 09:15:09 PM »
Lineup:

1. Desmond SS
2. Lombardozzi LF
3. Zimmerman 3B
4. Laroche 1B
5. Werth RF
6. Espinosa 2B
7. Ankiel CF
8. Ramos/Flores C



I like it.  Yankees aren't taking a hit with Brett Gardner in LF, so why not Lombo for us?  Now all we need is Cano, Granderson, etc.  :)

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #20: April 16, 2012, 09:15:11 PM »
I must be one of the few people not on board with Tyler Moore in DC.  He needs to prove something for an extended period of time.  He's really streaky, and when he has a cold streak, he is TERRIBLE.

Offline Slateman

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #21: April 16, 2012, 09:26:36 PM »
Who is good in the middle of a cold streak?

Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #22: April 16, 2012, 11:19:03 PM »
Ramos with a homer and LaRoche nearly had two homers.  Zim with a couple of hits.  Werth another hit.  Desmond a hit and a walk and a couple of runs scored.

LF is still kind of a black hole.

But the runs will come if the Nats keep hitting like this.

Offline aussienatsfan

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #23: April 17, 2012, 07:28:13 AM »
If Lombo isn't a LF liability I'd play him there every day

Offline Slateman

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Re: General Offense Discussion
« Reply #24: April 17, 2012, 08:22:35 AM »
He can't be more of a liabity than DeRosa or Morse.