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The article is clear in its assertion that the decision was rizzo's as was the whole place for how to handle him this season.  The article seems to be very clear about this and it's presented as fact and not opinion.  I personally place the latimes in the same category as the wsj,  the ny times and the Washington Post,  and unless they say otherwise,  I'll trust them over a source having second thoughts.

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Nattitude - in the face of new, contrary information, stick to your guns!  No retreat from team 'Rizzo/Nats/whoever is stoopid!'  The facts are what I say they are!

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Natitude...experiencing (at least the theoretical possibility) of post-season contention for the first time in 79 years...with all the controversy and fuss-and-bother that is theoretically possible....

One should exercise patience - heck, Washington's last post-season was 19 years before I was born, for gosh sakes....

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One should exercise patience - heck, Washington's last post-season was 19 years before I was born, for gosh sakes....

Not if you count the Grays. According to Wiki they were playing more than two thirds of their games in DC from 1943-1948 when they won three championships and lost one, but it doesn't say where the playoff games were played.

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Minty is talking about people ever believing the LA Times article.

I dunno.  Maybe because this story has been going on for over a year now and perhaps when asked a billion questions on a single subject over a long period of time a person is bound to contradict themselves from time-to-time. 

Come on, man.  You're a journalist.  What's the context?  What was the direct question?  Was the interviewee sitting for a formal interview?  Was he interrupted over dinner?  During work? 

Context, dude.  Context.

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Not if you count the Grays. According to Wiki they were playing more than two thirds of their games in DC from 1943-1948 when they won three championships and lost one, but it doesn't say where the playoff games were played.

A great team the Grays were...but that still only takes it to four years before I was born. Whichever team we're talking about, we're talking ancient history....

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Exactly.

Reporter: Dr. Slocum, were you asked whether Steven Strasburg should be shut down after 160 innings?

Dr. Slocum: "I was never asked that question, exactly. I did consult with them from time to time. I give medical advice. This is Mr. Rizzo's decision.


Newspapers get things wrong all the time. Conversely, people misunderstand what they're being asked all the time. I doubt there's some big conspiracy here


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This seems plausible to me: Yocum thought he was asked if helped decide precisly when to shut down Strasburg, and a misunderstanding ensued.


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They played the other portion of their home games in Pittsburgh, right?

Not if you count the Grays. According to Wiki they were playing more than two thirds of their games in DC from 1943-1948 when they won three championships and lost one, but it doesn't say where the playoff games were played.


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They played the other portion of their home games in Pittsburgh, right?



Correct

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They played the other portion of their home games in Pittsburgh, right?



Yes  ...  thus Homestead Grays.     Homestead is the Pittsburgh area steel hub that had the labor/management union battles.


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Yes  ...  thus Homestead Grays.     Homestead is the Pittsburgh area steel hub that had the labor/management union battles.



Wait... the NHL headquarters are in Homestead?

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Wait... the NHL headquarters are in Homestead?

Nah, they'd have beat the crap out of each other by now.    Leonsis, Bateman, etc. wouldn't last in Homestead.    Now Bugsy Watson or Dale Hunter   ....   LOL

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Yet another thing I did not know. Thanks.
Yes  ...  thus Homestead Grays.     Homestead is the Pittsburgh area steel hub that had the labor/management union battles.




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Yet another thing I did not know. Thanks.


Late 1800's I think.    They beat the crap out of each other.   It's where the Grays originated.


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Nah, they'd have beat the crap out of each other by now.    Leonsis, Bateman, etc. wouldn't last in Homestead.    Now Bugsy Watson or Dale Hunter   ....   LOL

See David Brody, "Steelworkers: the Non-union Era", as best I remember...and I used to know that stuff in the late '70s. Carnegie and Frick (of the Frick Museum) decided to break the union, the Amalgamated Association of Iron, Tin, and Steel Workers. Put up barbed wire and machine-gun towers around the Homestead mill. Town supported the strikers, so Carnegie hired armed Pinkerton's to bring several barges of strike-breakers down river. Homestead's strikers gathered on a bluff above town, armed with rifles. Threatened to shoot down into the strike-breakers. Pinkertons and strike-breakers surrendered...I believe were escorted out of town by the sheriff. Carnegie ordered the Pennsylvania State (Mounted) Police to attack the striker's neighborhood. Evicted everyone, brought in more strike-breakers. (Yes, Andrew Carnegie could "order" the state police to do whatever he wanted.)

One of the things we investigated, back when I was a history major, was the way that strikers in the 1870s and 1880s had the support of their towns. Grocers extended credit for food; local police refused to arrest union men...they were all neighbors, depending on each other.

Corporations grew and took over the state governments, using state courts and state police to break strikes...as Carnegie did at Homestead.

Teddy Roosevelt and the Progressives argued that since monopoly corporations owned the state governments, the Federal government had to pass inter-state commerce laws to balance the public interest against corporate interest. (Those were the terms of political battles between about 1895 and 1920.)

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1542: September 17, 2012, 10:30:31 PM »
It will be really cool to see the printed strips of playoff tickets, nice souvenirs of a wild ride, even if we don't get to use them.

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1543: September 17, 2012, 10:58:17 PM »
What are the chances of getting a day time playoff game at Nats park? Probably slim and none because MLB insists on prime time.

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1544: September 17, 2012, 11:36:35 PM »
There will be some day games on the days when there are 4 games played in the Division series.  Depending on who else gets in, there's a decent chance.

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1545: September 18, 2012, 12:47:06 AM »
NLCS game 1 you would assume is a day game since it falls on a Sunday with the ALCS game 1 the night before and game 2 scheduled the same day.  NLDS game 3 or 4 (whichever we play on OCt 10) there is a decent chance b/c there are at least 2, and more than likely 4 games scheduled that day.  Those seem like the best chances to me. 

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1546: September 18, 2012, 06:58:11 AM »
Can't call the Lerners cheap on this one, it's all on Rizzo.  Sure the Nats will be playing meaningful games in September and October, but it certainly would have been nice to have added some depth just in case some of our hitters got banged up, or if some of our arms wore down, or if we decided to go loco and voluntarily shut our guys down.  Guess we're just happy to be in the playoffs this year, maybe next year we'll try to contend.


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Mark Lerner [said] that general manager Mike Rizzo will have the freedom to add payroll through trades this month...“We’ve never let dollars get in the way of us making decisions that will help this organization.”

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“All along we said we like who we are, and we like where we’re at and we like the composition of the roster,” Rizzo said. “We didn’t see a whole lot of holes to fill. It’s not about complacency, but it’s about making good, sound decisions – not taking the short route with rental players that could affect us long-term. We feel we’re in position to play meaningful games this September and beyond and there wasn’t a whole lot of necessity to make a deal.”

Across the National League, other contenders upgraded – of the seven NL clubs with the best records, only the Nationals did not make a trade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/post/the-nationals-stand-pat-at-the-trade-deadline/2012/07/31/gJQAfGidNX_blog.html

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1547: September 18, 2012, 08:16:01 AM »
Depth ... like who?

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1548: September 18, 2012, 09:02:08 AM »
What's the problem with depth? We have 3 catchers, 4 first basemen, 2 second basemen, 2 shortstops, 2 third basemen, and way to many outfielders to count - and they're all playing pretty well. We got Izturis to cover in the infield until Desmond got better. We got Suzuki to help our ailing catcher rotation.

Just wondering, where would we have added more depth, and how would it help the team? Are you looking more towards the pitching staff?

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Re: Define Natitude: It was nice while it lasted
« Reply #1549: September 18, 2012, 09:38:22 AM »
Quality and quantity are two different things.

That is likely what Slate was referring to.