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Further research on http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/camermi01.shtml tells me Cameron might not be a great option.
?According to UZR he's saved 112 runs in his career, good for 11 wins on his defense alone.Plus, he's a three time GG'er.Trust me, I've worked with the equipment they use to figure out dWAR, it's not nearly as accurate as UZR is. BR has said as much in the past, as well.Hell, even his dWAR has him at 9 wins above average on defense over his career. That's outstanding. Especially when you consider 60 WAR is usually considered the tipping point of HOF'er or not.
A cumulative 9 dWAR over a 16 year career is good? Further 112 runs over a 16 year career is good? 11 wins in 16 years? Seems uninspiring to me.I can't argue the methodology since I am not familiar enough with it, I can only go on results.And you and I both know GG's are subjective.
According to UZR 112 runs saved on defense puts him as the 16th best OF'er of all time in terms of runs saved.
Then I'd be inclined to think there's something wrong with the metric.
Why exactly is that?Mike Cameron is one of the best OF'ers of all-time. I see nothing wrong with him being Top 20 defensively.
Sure, but what equipment is used for UZR?
Clearly we aren't going to agree on his defensive measures; how about the bat? There does seem to be significant decline in the post-steroid testing era. This team needs offensive production from its outfield and in a really bad way.
interns with lots of monitors?
Didn't take mister "LAN/C derails every thread" to derail this thread
To be honest, they just need to release field f/x to the public and be done with it.That way, it's all computers, and there won't be errors.
I think I asked JCA this, but what does field f/x use?
His .334 wOBA in 45 games with the Marlins in 2011 would have placed him second in wOBA for Nationals OF'ers. Only Mike Morse was better.Even better wOBA than Werth.
Same system as what tennis uses for their automatic line calls. Pretty sure it's called hawkeye... or something like that.
We're arguing the merits of a player who fits the title of the thread. Hater.
Wrong. You're arguing about stats
Based upon a player who fits the criteria. Hater.
Doesn't matter, you've digressed from the original topic and are now discussing the stats themselves, not the player.Ninnyhammer
Tennis courts are always the same size. No two baseball fields are alike.
I believe it's a system of 4 high speed cameras placed high in a ball park that capture the entire game. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 million frames per game, from which you can tell player movement couple with ball velocity. Probably the best measuring system to date.
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