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« Reply #25: November 22, 2011, 01:20:19 PM »
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Seems like MLB is planning more scheduled doubleheaders. Provision for 26-man rosters on said days included in CBA.

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« Reply #26: November 22, 2011, 01:21:37 PM »
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The lazy and teams that don't invest in scouting by evening the playing field. RT @feeger: @Kevin_Goldstein who does this even benefit?

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If you're a fan of a team that's putting huge investments into scouting/draft/international, that's over. Sorry.

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« Reply #27: November 22, 2011, 01:22:39 PM »
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« Reply #28: November 22, 2011, 01:23:47 PM »
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« Reply #29: November 22, 2011, 01:29:01 PM »
Sucks donkey balls.  They just put Tampa out of business.

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« Reply #30: November 22, 2011, 01:30:37 PM »
Sucks donkey balls.  They just put Tampa out of business.

They put every single small market team that was willing to think differently out of business.

They're making all 30 teams clones of each other.

Horrible for the game in the long run... better on the owner's bottom line.

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« Reply #31: November 22, 2011, 01:32:42 PM »
This is freaking terrible. I'm at a loss for words.

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« Reply #32: November 22, 2011, 01:35:48 PM »
Why doesn't the luxury tax include the lose of a first round pick?

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« Reply #33: November 22, 2011, 01:35:51 PM »
This also helps teams like the Yanks and Red Sox who can actually attract the big name free agents every year.  Which free agent will choose the Royals or Pirates now that they have no shot (or much less, at least) at improving through the draft?

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« Reply #34: November 22, 2011, 01:37:44 PM »
Why even have a scouting department anymore?

Everyone is going to know ahead of time who's draftable and who's not.

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« Reply #35: November 22, 2011, 01:42:43 PM »
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By my calculations, TWENTY teams went 16% or more over slot this year, which would have triggered 100% tax & loss of two 1st-rders #mlbdraft

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« Reply #36: November 22, 2011, 01:44:13 PM »
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Baseball's new labor deal will limit the use of smokeless tobacco by players, but not ban it during games, as some public health groups had sought.

A baseball union summary obtained by The Associated Press says that players have agreed not to carry tobacco cans in their back pockets or use tobacco during pregame or postgame interviews, and at team functions.

But it falls short of the call by some advocates, including members of Congress, who argued that a ban on chewing tobacco and dip during games was needed to protect impressionable kids watching on TV.

"Our members understand that this is a dangerous product, there are serious risks associated with using it," union head Michael Weiner told The Associated Press. "Our players felt strongly that those were appropriate measures to take but that banning its use on the field was not appropriate under the circumstances."

The players union has also agreed to join forces with the Partnership at DrugFree.org to create a nationwide public service announcement campaign. In addition, several players have agreed to a public outreach campaign, including Curtis Granderson, Jeremy Guthrie and C.J. Wilson. The union will start a Tobacco Cessation Center for its players, and players will be provided with training on how to give up the habit.

Matthew L. Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, one of the groups that led the anti-tobacco push, said that while he would have preferred a ban at games and on camera, the restrictions represent real progress.

"The new Major League Baseball contract takes an historic first step toward getting smokeless tobacco out of the ballgame, and makes significant progress toward protecting the health of big-league players and millions of young fans who look up to them," he said in a statement.

"Baseball players have been using tobacco since the earliest days of the game. This forward step marks the first time ever that the league and the players have recognized that it is time to break this unhealthy connection."

Major League Baseball did not immediately return an email seeking comment.

Weiner said that players aren't running from the idea that kids see them as role models.

"Prominent players have agreed to go out there and talk," he said. "But maybe the message that's being sent by the combination of things here is a realistic one: When kids grow up they're going to have choices to make, just like players have choices."

In recent weeks, four U.S. senators and two House members urged the baseball union to agree to a ban. A coalition including the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Cancer Society and the American Medical Association had been pushing for a tobacco ban since last year. Baseball commissioner Bud Selig endorsed it at the start of the 2011 season.

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says smokeless tobacco can cause cancer, oral health problems and nicotine addiction, and stresses it is not a safe alternative to smoking. Despite the risks, the CDC's most recent survey found that in 2009, 15 percent of high school boys used smokeless tobacco _ a more than one-third increase over 2003.

In the minor leagues, where players are not unionized, smokeless tobacco has been banned since 1993.

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« Reply #37: November 22, 2011, 01:44:36 PM »
Callis says it's basically a hard cap, no matter how they phrase it.

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« Reply #38: November 22, 2011, 01:45:27 PM »
This is a freaking disaster of epic proportions, wow.

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« Reply #39: November 22, 2011, 01:46:13 PM »
Hearing that GM's were not consulted about new rule changes... as they would have never agreed to such measures.

Basically makes Theo and the dream scouting department in Chicago useless.

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« Reply #40: November 22, 2011, 01:51:36 PM »
Minty, grab your gear... I need to get my right arm warm.

I think we finally have a shot of making pro ball!

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« Reply #41: November 22, 2011, 01:55:06 PM »
Nice to see mgmt and a union get together to screw non-members and milb players who will never be members- great country were this is legal. Maybe the nba owners can negotiate a cba with the mlbpa too

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« Reply #42: November 22, 2011, 02:03:36 PM »
Last year, Juan Pierre was paid more money than any one team spent on International signings... yet they choose to put a cap on that?

Really?

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« Reply #43: November 22, 2011, 02:11:02 PM »
I don't blame the union for looking after its current membership.  Getting rid of major league contracts for draftees is a good idea, for example.

What is so turrible is the owners' clear decision to maximize their profits at the expense of their ability to compete with the big spending teams.  Getting an extra pick at the end of the first round will make little difference - especially with the slot system being enforced the way they're saying it will be.

The Yankees will be free to continue spending $200 mil + while the Pirates will be stuck at $50 mil with no way to improve. 

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« Reply #44: November 22, 2011, 02:13:19 PM »
Well the pirates can fire international scouts now, so that helps. I wonder if top Dominican prospects will start looking more closely at the Nippon league

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« Reply #45: November 22, 2011, 02:17:45 PM »
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While the lottery for extra picks is designed to give teams with smaller payrolls an extra draft pick each year, the value of that pick pales in comparison to those teams prior ability to compete for young players by allocating their resources more heavily to those areas. Here’s the list of team spending on the draft in 2011 – you’ll notice the Pirates ($17 million), Nationals ($15 million), Royals ($14 million) at the top, followed closely by the Diamondbacks ($12 million), and then the Rays, Mariners, Padres, and Blue Jays who all spent $11 million. Thanks to hard slotting, this strategy is no longer viable, and these low-revenue teams who had been focusing heavily on acquiring talent through the draft will now have to find another way to add talent to their organizations.

Likewise, the competitive advantage of scouting internationally has essentially been demolished. If you look at the list of top international bonuses paid out over the years, you’ll notice a lot of smaller revenue clubs investing heavily in these markets. While the Yankees have enjoyed significant benefits from higher Major League payrolls over the years, they haven’t been as big of spenders internationally, and small-to-mid-market teams have been able to increase their talent bases by pursuing the top 16-year-olds available in foreign countries.

With a flat cap for the upcoming year, any advantage these teams have has been completely removed, and teams will now all be submitting remarkably similar offers to the best international talents, causing these players to choose which organization to join based on factors beyond signing bonus. No longer will teams be able to create systematic advantages in international scouting, as they simply won’t have the resources available to bring in more than one or two additional significant talents per year.

Overall, these new rules will work to dramatically decrease the overall spending levels of teams on new talent, but will do so at the cost of allowing small to mid market teams to pursue strategies that focus on developing talent internally. The lotteries simply won’t make up for the inability to increase spending on talent acquisition, flattening the differences between organizations and making winning at the Major League level more about acquiring veterans and less about acquiring amateurs.

These rules are fantastic for big market teams who can maximize the advantage of their revenue streams by spending on Major League talent. These rules are absolutely terrible for teams who cannot afford to build teams by paying the market rate for those same players.

Congratulations, Major League Baseball, you just screwed every team that doesn’t have the capability of running out a $100+ million payroll, and you just made winning a lot more about Major League payroll size than anything else. In the name of cost reduction, you just made it even less likely that teams like Tampa Bay or Oakland will be able to build long term winners. This agreement will set competitive balance back significantly, and now our only hope is that the damage is so obvious that these changes get repealed as quickly as possible.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/did-a-steinbrenner-write-the-new-cba/

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« Reply #46: November 22, 2011, 02:24:29 PM »
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While the lottery for extra picks is designed to give teams with smaller payrolls an extra draft pick each year, the value of that pick pales in comparison to those teams prior ability to compete for young players by allocating their resources more heavily to those areas. Here’s the list of team spending on the draft in 2011 – you’ll notice the Pirates ($17 million), Nationals ($15 million), Royals ($14 million) at the top, followed closely by the Diamondbacks ($12 million), and then the Rays, Mariners, Padres, and Blue Jays who all spent $11 million. Thanks to hard slotting, this strategy is no longer viable, and these low-revenue teams who had been focusing heavily on acquiring talent through the draft will now have to find another way to add talent to their organizations.

But there's no alternative market for the draft picks, so wouldn't you figure that guys like say Purke would simply have to take less cash if they want to play baseball?

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« Reply #47: November 22, 2011, 02:27:11 PM »
I'd say Purke would return to school, hood would play football, and high schoolers would either play college ball or another sport- if you're a high schooler looking at a 10k signing bonus and a minor league salary or a full ride at stanford, which are you choosing?

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« Reply #48: November 22, 2011, 02:27:31 PM »
But there's no alternative market for the draft picks, so wouldn't you figure that guys like say Purke would simply have to take less cash if they want to play baseball?

Yes... but guys like Destin Hood will just hang up the spikes and take up football full time.

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« Reply #49: November 22, 2011, 02:32:51 PM »
This won't affect players as much as it will affect teams.  Players will just go to college if they don't think they will be drafted highly out of high school.  Low revenue teams won't be able draft multiple high-upside talents, though, and that is the main effect of this type of setup.  Low revenue teams that can't compete in free agency will now find it more difficult to close the gap through the draft or internationally.

The low revenue owners really sold out their own fans on this for a few extra bucks.