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Offline Kevrock

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #150: October 20, 2011, 02:09:28 PM »
I've read 91-94 and 90-93 depending on the source.

Thanks, Nathan.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #151: October 20, 2011, 02:10:52 PM »
@keithlaw

Fine. Yes. RT @morrsco: @keithlaw How has Norris' receiving looked? Can he catch in the majors?

Must've missed this yesterday - is this supposed to be demonstrating that Law is an assclown, or was it unrelated to my post?

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« Reply #152: October 20, 2011, 02:20:15 PM »
Must've missed this yesterday - is this supposed to be demonstrating that Law is an assclown, or was it unrelated to my post?

No. It was to say that he'll be able to stick at catcher in the pros, if you believe Keith Law.

Some people worried he wouldn't be able to.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #153: October 20, 2011, 02:42:06 PM »
A short (1:33) video of Purke's debut for Scottsdale:


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« Reply #154: October 20, 2011, 02:47:24 PM »
He holds his glove weird while waiting for the sign. Usually the glove would be facing the OF, not the catcher.

Odd.

Looked fine pitching, though.

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« Reply #155: October 20, 2011, 03:13:09 PM »
Harper is in the lineup batting 5th and playing LF.  Walters batting 8th and DHing.  Keith law said in a chat that he is going to see Purke pitch tomorrow.

Let's see if Harper can go oppo boppo off 100 MPH.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #156: October 20, 2011, 03:52:35 PM »
Harper vs Cole Part 1:  8 pitch at bat resulting in Harper single.

Unfortunately the game is at Scottsdale, so no pitch F/X on Cole.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #157: October 20, 2011, 05:21:33 PM »
113437 - I've posted links to a great Branch Rickey article where he lays out many of the saber statistics 30 years before Bill James.  Identified OBP and ISO, as well as a few other things. I think it was from Sport magazine or Sporting News in the 50s.  Search for my posts mentioning Branch Rickey.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #158: October 20, 2011, 05:28:23 PM »
He holds his glove weird while waiting for the sign. Usually the glove would be facing the OF, not the catcher.

Odd.

Looked fine pitching, though.

Generally a pitcher wouldn't be that upright as he takes the sign. Glove on thigh would be typical, not that it matters until the ball and hand are in glove. Purke's a different dude in general, though.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #159: October 20, 2011, 06:03:49 PM »
He holds his glove weird while waiting for the sign. Usually the glove would be facing the OF, not the catcher.


Generally a pitcher wouldn't be that upright as he takes the sign. Glove on thigh would be typical, not that it matters until the ball and hand are in glove. Purke's a different dude in general, though.


I don't think it's really that uncommon. (skip to the 1:20 mark)


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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #160: October 20, 2011, 06:06:30 PM »
113437 - I've posted links to a great Branch Rickey article where he lays out many of the saber statistics 30 years before Bill James.  Identified OBP and ISO, as well as a few other things. I think it was from Sport magazine or Sporting News in the 50s.  Search for my posts mentioning Branch Rickey.

Thanks.  That sounds interesting.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #161: October 20, 2011, 06:21:04 PM »
1-3, BB for Harper, 0-4 for Walters.


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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #162: October 20, 2011, 06:22:43 PM »
I don't think it's really that uncommon. (skip to the 1:20 mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U24SLYtdv6E#ws


Hmm, maybe so. Clippard is a goofball as well, though. :)


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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #163: October 20, 2011, 06:28:55 PM »
Good to see that he's releasing the ball above his shoulder again. All the clips from during the season, he was slinging it parallel to his shoulders, or a tad below. Positive sign.

He also seems to have filled out a little bit since the season.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #164: October 20, 2011, 06:38:34 PM »
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Was asked who the most impressive or intriguing prospect(s) I saw this weekend in AZ were: Matt Purke, Nolan Arenado & Gary Brown

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #165: October 20, 2011, 07:00:42 PM »
Good to see that he's releasing the ball above his shoulder again. All the clips from during the season, he was slinging it parallel to his shoulders, or a tad below. Positive sign.

He also seems to have filled out a little bit since the season.


I noticed this, too.  Both the angle the ball comes out as well as him not being so skinny.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #166: October 20, 2011, 08:29:48 PM »
Purke starts Friday according to  the AFL site.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #167: October 20, 2011, 09:39:23 PM »
Purke starts Friday according to  the AFL site.

Keith Law said in a chat today that he was going to see him.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #168: October 21, 2011, 10:48:24 AM »
Since I love this Branch Rickey article, I figure I'd post the link and summary again:

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Welch - you might enjoy this link to an article written by Branch Rickey:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/essays/rickey/goodby_to_old_idea.htm

Rickey recognizes the importance to an offense of things we now recognize like OBP and isolated slugging (ISO), which is SLG - AVG. He recognized that the relationship between productive offense was tighter with OBP than AVG and that slugging (expressed as ISO) was more important than RBI.  He also hit on a lower weighting of SLG than straight OPS by first focusing ISO (a smaller number than SLG) and by giving it a 3/4 weight in his formula.  He attempts to capture speed and other run scoring factors at the team level with his scoring efficiency or "clutch" measure, but recognizes that it cannot be attributed to individual players because it is dependent on others on the team.

He throws up his hands at defense, recognizing the fielding percentage is pretty worthless because it does not account for range (note that the WAR systems attempt to account for fielding through systematic observation of video, carving up the field into zones, and other measurement tricks that leave a lot to be desired, but are a nice try). 

For pitchers, he looks at batting average against, adds in a rate of walks and HBP, has an earned run per base runner stat, and a small score for Ks to come up with a rating, low score being best.  He found this correlated to ERA.  To my eye, I think it is a less useful measure because he is equating earned runs to pitchers effectiveness. I think he misses the fact that every time a ball is hit there is a certain likelihood it will lead to a run, regardless of whether the play is called a hit or an error.  This leads to undervaluing strikeouts.  I don't think his measure of defense independent pitching effectiveness is as good as FIP, tERA, or what I know through Sharp of SIERA from BP.

Essentially, Rickey was on to many of the components of Fangraphs WAR 50 years before Fangraphs.  All WAR does is refine the measurements.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #169: October 21, 2011, 04:09:01 PM »
Purke    0.1    5    7    7    1    0    1    30.86

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #170: October 21, 2011, 04:20:10 PM »
^Whoaaa.

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #171: October 21, 2011, 04:20:54 PM »
Well, he got a guy out!

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #172: October 21, 2011, 04:26:40 PM »
Looks like he has that pitch to contact thing mastered!

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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #173: October 21, 2011, 04:29:52 PM »
Already looking better than some of the starters we've trotted out in the past

Well, he got a guy out!


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Re: 2011 Arizona Fall League
« Reply #174: October 21, 2011, 05:11:34 PM »
awful, time for surgery :hang: