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Offline 2k6nats

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« Topic Start: December 12, 2006, 05:38:17 PM »
Now, I have a hockey question. Did the recent game against Pittsburgh count as a loss or a tie? How do teams have so many ties, since I thought tie games were decided by shootouts?

Offline Vladman1327

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« Reply #1: December 12, 2006, 08:03:53 PM »
There are no ties.  The third statistic is overtime/shootout loss.

So, 1-1-1 means 1 win, 1 loss, 1 loss in overtime or shootout.  You get one point for a loss after regulation.

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« Reply #2: December 12, 2006, 08:06:57 PM »
What a stupid system.  :roll:

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« Reply #3: December 12, 2006, 08:08:59 PM »
Quote from: "Vladman1327"
There are no ties.  The third statistic is overtime/shootout loss.

So, 1-1-1 means 1 win, 1 loss, 1 loss in overtime or shootout.  You get one point for a loss after regulation.
So are overtime losses any different than regulation losses in the standings?

Offline Dave B

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« Reply #4: December 12, 2006, 09:31:42 PM »
Quote from: "2k6nats"
Quote from: "Vladman1327"
There are no ties.  The third statistic is overtime/shootout loss.

So, 1-1-1 means 1 win, 1 loss, 1 loss in overtime or shootout.  You get one point for a loss after regulation.


So are overtime losses any different than regulation losses in the standings?
yes. no points for regulation losses. one point for OT/SO loss. two points for win (regardless of regulation or not)

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« Reply #5: December 12, 2006, 10:19:53 PM »
Quote from: "Dave B"
Quote from: "2k6nats"
Quote from: "Vladman1327"
There are no ties.  The third statistic is overtime/shootout loss.

So, 1-1-1 means 1 win, 1 loss, 1 loss in overtime or shootout.  You get one point for a loss after regulation.
So are overtime losses any different than regulation losses in the standings?
yes. no points for regulation losses. one point for OT/SO loss. two points for win (regardless of regulation or not)
That's really stupid.  But whatever.

Offline Kenz aFan

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« Reply #6: December 12, 2006, 11:17:25 PM »
Quote from: "2k6nats"
Quote from: "Dave B"
Quote from: "2k6nats"
Quote from: "Vladman1327"
There are no ties.  The third statistic is overtime/shootout loss.

So, 1-1-1 means 1 win, 1 loss, 1 loss in overtime or shootout.  You get one point for a loss after regulation.
So are overtime losses any different than regulation losses in the standings?
yes. no points for regulation losses. one point for OT/SO loss. two points for win (regardless of regulation or not)
That's really stupid.  But whatever.

Would you rather your favorite hockey team, after playing a fantastic game, even scoring late in the third period, forcing overtime and then have the rules such that if the other team wins in OT or in a shootout, they get the points and your team ends up with nothing?

The reason they award the point for an overtime or shootout loss, is because it's a fair way to compensate the losing team who played well enough to get to the overtime in the first place.

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« Reply #7: December 13, 2006, 06:43:56 AM »
Good point.  However, does baseball give credit to teams that blow a lead in the ninth?  Or go to overtime and lose on a field goal?  Or go to overtime and get beaten by a buzzer-beating shot?  I'm just attached to good old wins and losses.

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« Reply #8: December 13, 2006, 08:46:49 AM »
That's why college hockey rules.  Wins, losses and ties.  Cut and dry.  

By the way, Clarkson is ranked 16th in the nation and the Big Red of Cornell are #11.  The ECAC is movin' up!

Offline Dave B

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« Reply #9: December 13, 2006, 09:41:44 AM »
I'm a big fan of simply wins and losses. Although the caps are benefitting from this extra point thing.

Or at least only give out 2 points per game.  The reason I say this is because it fixes the number of points achievable in a season.  If this were physics it would be the "conservation of points" theory where points can neither be created nor destroyed.  It COULD potentially lead to two teams making deals like lets just get to OT, then we both have at least a point..

Or make it 3 points per game.  3 for reg win, 2 for ot/so winner, 1 for ot/so loser.

I think soccer gives 3 for a win and 1 for ties, where points can actually be "destroyed"

I'm willing to violate the conservation of points theory if points are destroyed.

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« Reply #10: December 13, 2006, 09:45:58 AM »
Quote from: "Minty Fresh"
That's why college hockey rules.  Wins, losses and ties.  Cut and dry.  

By the way, Clarkson is ranked 16th in the nation and the Big Red of Cornell are #11.  The ECAC is movin' up!


I've been snoozing on that for a little bit. Cornell is off til the christmas tournament, and they have nt played any big games lately.  Q-pac and dartnouth crackin the top 20.  I guess it would be nice to have vermont back.
How about Harvard bringing up the rear? Nice to see that

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« Reply #11: December 13, 2006, 10:34:02 AM »
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Quote from: "Minty Fresh"
That's why college hockey rules.  Wins, losses and ties.  Cut and dry.  

By the way, Clarkson is ranked 16th in the nation and the Big Red of Cornell are #11.  The ECAC is movin' up!


I've been snoozing on that for a little bit. Cornell is off til the christmas tournament, and they have nt played any big games lately.  Q-pac and dartnouth crackin the top 20.  I guess it would be nice to have vermont back.
How about Harvard bringing up the rear? Nice to see that


HARVARD!................................SUCKS!

Yes, nice to see them near the bottom along with Union.  

Clarkson did that this year too.  They played last Tuesday and they don't play again until they play WISCONSIN in January.  I don't get it.  As for Cornell, that's the one problem with the Ivys, they focus so much on academics (which, by the way, is the way it SHOULD be) that they cannot schedule a heavy non-con. schedule and as a result, every year they slip in the rankings because they simply don't play as many games as other schools.  

And screw Vermont.  They weren't invited to Hockey East, they begged to move there.  So F**K 'EM!  I hope they wind up in last place for years to come.  I watched Vermont's last two ECAC games, they werwe swept by Cornell and Colgate in the ECAC semis and consolation game.

Offline 2k6nats

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« Reply #12: December 13, 2006, 06:31:23 PM »
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And screw Vermont.  They weren't invited to Hockey East, they begged to move there.  So F**K 'EM!  I hope they wind up in last place for years to come.  I watched Vermont's last two ECAC games, they werwe swept by Cornell and Colgate in the ECAC semis and consolation game.


You, my friend, are dead.

GO VERMONT!!!!!


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« Reply #13: December 13, 2006, 07:41:38 PM »
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And screw Vermont.  They weren't invited to Hockey East, they begged to move there.  So F**K 'EM!  I hope they wind up in last place for years to come.  I watched Vermont's last two ECAC games, they werwe swept by Cornell and Colgate in the ECAC semis and consolation game.


You, my friend, are dead.

GO VERMONT!!!!!

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My god that goalie needs to learn how to match pads to jersey.

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« Reply #14: December 13, 2006, 07:45:12 PM »
Quote from: "Dave B"
Quote from: "2k6nats"
Quote from: "Vladman1327"
There are no ties.  The third statistic is overtime/shootout loss.

So, 1-1-1 means 1 win, 1 loss, 1 loss in overtime or shootout.  You get one point for a loss after regulation.


So are overtime losses any different than regulation losses in the standings?
yes. no points for regulation losses. one point for OT/SO loss. two points for win (regardless of regulation or not)


So it's conceivably possible that a team with fewer wins and more OT losses could get into the playoffs ahead of another team with more wins?

Offline Dave B

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« Reply #15: December 13, 2006, 08:15:55 PM »
Yes. That is also true under the old tie system as well

Offline Ali the Baseball Cat

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« Reply #16: December 14, 2006, 12:46:48 AM »
I think that O/T losses was what ultimately got Edmonton into the playoffs as the 8th seed in the Western Conf ahead of Vancouver last year (where they proceeded to go all the way to Game 7 of the Finals)


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Quote from: "Vladman1327"
There are no ties.  The third statistic is overtime/shootout loss.

So, 1-1-1 means 1 win, 1 loss, 1 loss in overtime or shootout.  You get one point for a loss after regulation.


So are overtime losses any different than regulation losses in the standings?
yes. no points for regulation losses. one point for OT/SO loss. two points for win (regardless of regulation or not)


So it's conceivably possible that a team with fewer wins and more OT losses could get into the playoffs ahead of another team with more wins?

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« Reply #17: December 14, 2006, 04:43:26 PM »
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 You, my friend, are dead.

GO VERMONT!!!!!


LET'S.....GO.................RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Offline ColtonWillems

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« Reply #18: December 14, 2006, 05:11:09 PM »

Offline 2k6nats

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« Reply #19: December 14, 2006, 05:29:25 PM »
Funny, both Minty Fresh's and ColtenWillems' pics are broken links.

Offline Kenz aFan

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« Reply #20: December 14, 2006, 11:47:34 PM »
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Funny, both Minty Fresh's and ColtenWillems' pics are broken links.

I fixed em for ya, so oyu could see better what they were

Offline Minty Fresh

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« Reply #21: December 15, 2006, 10:07:31 AM »
Still can't see ColtenWillems' pic......

Offline 2k6nats

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« Reply #22: December 15, 2006, 10:10:00 PM »
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Still can't see ColtenWillems' pic......


I'll second that...

Offline ColtonWillems

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« Reply #23: December 16, 2006, 11:09:29 PM »
thats weird, I can see it lol.

But obviously, it's MINNESOTA!

*turns on front-runner bashing shield*...i'm not for the record