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Offline daggerrrrrr

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #225: July 12, 2011, 07:49:42 PM »
Listen guys. There's a reason Law is working for ESPN and not an MLB team. Need I say more.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #226: July 12, 2011, 07:54:17 PM »
Listen guys. There's a reason Law is working for ESPN and not an MLB team. Need I say more.

hopefully no good reason considering his man love for Rendon

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #227: July 12, 2011, 08:20:50 PM »
Law was right about Detwiler, so he's not totally useless or anything.

That said, he's just one guy, and these baseball pundit types are wrong all the time.  His analysis of Peacock did seem kind of lazy.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #228: July 12, 2011, 08:34:52 PM »
What did he say about Detwiler?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #229: July 12, 2011, 08:40:06 PM »
He was a #3 starter at best or a reliever.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #230: July 12, 2011, 11:45:32 PM »
He was a #3 starter at best or a reliever.

LoL.

You can say that about 99% of pitching prospects. He went out on a limb there.

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #231: July 13, 2011, 01:10:04 AM »
Yeah, everyone says that about guys who were taken #6 overall.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #232: July 13, 2011, 01:11:17 AM »
Bowden was an idiot, I don't think his #6 pick was seen in the same light as a competent GM's.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #233: July 13, 2011, 01:16:45 AM »
Bowden wasn't the only person in the FO.

Really, we're going to argue this? :hammer: How dare I give credit for an accurate prediction and not join the Keith Law hatewagon of indignation.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #234: July 13, 2011, 01:31:58 AM »
Thing is, Knorr, I could say, of any given pitching prospect, "he won't make the majors," and I'd be right over 90% of the time.  I could say "he tops out as a third starter or reliever" and that number probably jumps to 95-6%, if not higher.  Where guys like Keith Law are valuable is in helping distinguish between the guys making progress and those that aren't, IMO.  Not based on declarative statements made about a draft pick very early in his minor league career.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #235: July 13, 2011, 03:03:49 AM »
My problem with Law here (as I've had other problems with him) is the sloppiness/laziness.

Matt Moore's AA numbers, in that postgame video, were described as "video game" and they are, indeed, outstanding numbers.  Brad Peacock's numbers, at the same level, are better, not by a lot but still better.

Moore has been pegged as one of the top pitching prospects in the minors so his outstanding numbers are no surprise to Law et al.  Brad Peacock isn't regarded anywhere near that.  If you were even kind of curious, you'd wonder why Peacock's numbers are better than Moore's.  Perhaps it would encourage you to do a little research, ie that Kilgore blog entry about his new delivery, to see if there's anything you're missing.  Of course, Law takes the lazy path, and assumes that Moore's great numbers are because he's a top of the rotation, potential ace and Peacock's great, slightly better, numbers are a result of random luck.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #236: July 13, 2011, 10:26:27 AM »
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=law_keith&id=6760322

Keith Law piles on...


Brad Peacock is 6'1" 175 lbs.

Mike Mussina the master of the knuckle curve was 6'2" 185 lbs.

Bring on the knuckle curve.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #237: July 13, 2011, 10:27:52 AM »
Peacock is more like 5'10, 5'11... but if the extra inches help his confidence... I'm all for it!

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #238: July 13, 2011, 10:29:29 AM »
Peacock is more like 5'10, 5'11... but if the extra inches help his confidence... I'm all for it!

That is what was listed on baseball-reference.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #239: July 13, 2011, 10:32:26 AM »
That is what was listed on baseball-reference.

No, you're right... he is listed at 6'1, even in the baseball programs they hand out at the stadium... I'm just saying in person, he's not that tall.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #240: July 13, 2011, 11:09:00 AM »
No, you're right... he is listed at 6'1, even in the baseball programs they hand out at the stadium... I'm just saying in person, he's not that tall.

Kind of like how David Eckstein is listed as 5'6." C'mon son, we all know he's no taller than 5'3." :lol:

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #241: July 13, 2011, 07:40:35 PM »
No, David Eckstein's listed height and weight are 5'7", 165 pounds.  This is an important part of baseball history.  Although in a recent article he was 175 pounds so he's apparently been letting himself go.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #242: July 13, 2011, 09:58:21 PM »
Not sure if it was mentioned here or not but Brad's gone to Syracuse!

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #243: July 14, 2011, 12:42:08 AM »
Not sure if it was mentioned here or not but Brad's gone to Syracuse!

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Just when I was about to go to Hagersburg and watch him pitch :bang:

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #244: July 14, 2011, 04:24:06 PM »
I still don't get the undersized for a starter argument. It is kind of hard to look up starting pitchers by height and weight because it isn't a stat, but I found a lot of guys listed around 6'0" and under 200 lbs that had ver successful careers. Greg Maddux was listed at 6'0" 165 lbs., Tim Hudson is listed at 6'1" 175 lbs., Tim Lincecum is a damn leprechaun. Does a starting pitcher have to be at least a certain height and weight? I would understand the argument better if there weren't a bunch of starting pitchers that had good to great careers listed at around the same height and weight as Brad Peacock.   

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #245: July 14, 2011, 04:25:11 PM »
Peacock in person reminds me a lot of Roy Oswalt... in terms of shape and size.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #246: July 14, 2011, 04:34:39 PM »
I still don't get the undersized for a starter argument. It is kind of hard to look up starting pitchers by height and weight because it isn't a stat, but I found a lot of guys listed around 6'0" and under 200 lbs that had ver successful careers. Greg Maddux was listed at 6'0" 165 lbs., Tim Hudson is listed at 6'1" 175 lbs., Tim Lincecum is a damn leprechaun. Does a starting pitcher have to be at least a certain height and weight? I would understand the argument better if there weren't a bunch of starting pitchers that had good to great careers listed at around the same height and weight as Brad Peacock.   

I don't get it either.  If Drew Brees can become one of the great NFL quarterbacks, then why the hell are people fretting about the size of an MLB pitcher?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #247: July 14, 2011, 11:29:03 PM »
Not sure if it was mentioned here or not but Brad's gone to Syracuse!
Interesting.  I didn't realize he was moving up the ladder so fast.  Exciting stuff.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #248: July 16, 2011, 07:31:45 AM »
Henry Pavlidis of the Hardball Times looked at the Pitch/FX data from the Futures Game.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/2011-futures-game-pitchf-x/

Here's a link to Brad Peacock's graph: http://www.hardballtimes.com/images/uploads/Peacock-Brad-502748-class.png

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The Nationals sent Peacock to Arizona last fall, so this was a quick check-up on the 41st rounder from the 2007 draft. He's been outstanding in Double-A this years, sporting a nifty 5.6 strikeout-to-walk ratio. Like Miller, he didn't crack 95 in this outing but has shown 95+ in his previous PITCHf/x games.

To my not-so-trained eye, it looks like he had good seperation in velocity between his fastball and change-up. The lack of movement on his fastball, however, is a bit striking.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Brad Peacock, RHP
« Reply #249: July 16, 2011, 07:18:09 PM »
Not a good first start for Peacock in AAA.

First inning is still going and he's already given up 5 with 2 HR.