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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #75: June 23, 2011, 07:50:57 PM »
He was our top prospect at one point....

HE'S 22!   

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #76: June 23, 2011, 08:00:14 PM »
And playing against mostly people his own age...

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #77: June 23, 2011, 10:00:38 PM »
That spoke more about the quality of our system, than it did about Marrero. He was a pretty high 1st, so there were some decent expectation, but wasn't ever considered an elite talent.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #78: June 23, 2011, 10:22:09 PM »
marrero with a fantastic night tonight.

3-for-3, 2 bb, rbi (37).  average up to .290.  make him the DH!!!

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #79: June 25, 2011, 10:30:14 PM »
The main point I am trying to make is his power really isn't that great and he is pretty much primarily a power hitter. I don't care what his .avg is in AA he won't hit better than .265 as a pro, quote me on it.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #80: June 27, 2011, 04:35:24 PM »
A discussion in the FTP Norris thread belongs here as well:

One of the biggest reasons people are down on Marrero is his Isolated Power (ISO), which projects somewhere in the neighborhood of .150. Simply put, he probably won't hit enough to be a major league first baseman and his glove doesn't allow him to fit anywhere else.
That's because people are looking at Marrero as a physically mature person.
He is 6'3 210. I suppose he could put on maybe 10 lbs more bulk?
He has no chest. Raw-boned is what they used to call it. Similar to RZ in '06.


EDIT: Another thing about Marrero is his power is to right-center. The ball really jumps off his bat but he doesn't know how to pull yet.
When discussing Votto's break out, Dave Cameron made this observation about guys with opposite field power:
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I have a theory – and that’s really all it is at this point, as we don’t yet have good enough data to draw firm conclusions – that players whose power is primarily to the opposite field develop differently, and are viewed less favorably early in their careers, than players with obvious pull power.

Votto’s power is primarily to left field, where his career ISO is .382, is significantly higher than his ISO to either CF (.261) or RF (.294). His career wOBA on balls to the opposite field is a staggering .508. In that way, he’s comparable to Adrian Gonzalez, Joe Mauer, and Ryan Howard, all of whom drive balls out the opposite way with regularity.

Gonzalez took three organizations to develop, and like Votto, had some real struggles in the minors. Howard didn’t become a regular in the big leagues until age 25. Mauer didn’t see his power really come to fruition until age 26, even though the rest of his game was already mature. Looking back at the list of historical opposite field home run hitters from Jeremy Greenhouse, we find more late bloomers like Roberto Clemente, Julio Franco, and Jim Edmonds, among others.

Adrian Gonzalez is the classic example, and A-Gon has some comps at this age that look like Marrero.  While A-Gon was always thought of a high level prospect (even if he was a stretch at #1), Marrero might take a leap in a couple years as he adds a bit more strength.  I'm not ready to have him displace Morse, but I sense we might be underestimating his best case. 

I think there is a discussion of this point in the FTP Marrero thread (projecting Chris Marrero).

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #81: June 27, 2011, 09:33:48 PM »
BA up to .297...closing in on .300  :clap:

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #82: June 27, 2011, 09:39:56 PM »
BA up to .297...closing in on .300  :clap:
But, do you really think he will hit above .270 as a pro?

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #83: June 27, 2011, 09:41:07 PM »
Problem for Marrero is that we don't have a spot for him.  We could move Morse back to LF, but then what do we do with Nix?

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #84: June 27, 2011, 09:41:09 PM »
Screw it, I'm back on the band-wagon. The posts in the other thread brought me around.

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« Reply #85: June 27, 2011, 09:41:19 PM »
But, do you really think he will hit above .270 as a pro?

I THINK HE WILL PWN SOULS!

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #86: June 27, 2011, 09:44:47 PM »
I bet he's trade bait.  He's inexpensive and probably good enough with the bat and glove to intrigue some teams out there. 

We have nowhere to put him.  We have LaRoche/Morse at 1B and Harper waiting in the wings for the OF along with Werth.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #87: June 27, 2011, 09:56:31 PM »
I bet he's trade bait.  He's inexpensive and probably good enough with the bat and glove to intrigue some teams out there. 

We have nowhere to put him.  We have LaRoche/Morse at 1B and Harper waiting in the wings for the OF along with Werth.
I agree. We are in the race this year, it would be cool if we made a move.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #88: June 27, 2011, 09:56:52 PM »
I bet he's trade bait.  He's inexpensive and probably good enough with the bat and glove to intrigue some teams out there. 

We have nowhere to put him.  We have LaRoche/Morse at 1B and Harper waiting in the wings for the OF along with Werth.

Hmm, Marerro/Desmond to the Mets for Reyes.  Lead-off problem solved.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #89: June 27, 2011, 09:57:45 PM »
Hmm, Marerro/Desmond to the Mets for Reyes.  Lead-off problem solved.
No way they would do it.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #90: June 27, 2011, 10:19:48 PM »
Say what you want about all the other numbers, but Marrero's power numbers have increased as he's climbed levels. From 16, to 17 to 18, so it's a small climb, but it's more difficult with each step up in competition. And, he's on pace for a career high in walk numbers, while having a career low in K's. He is showing improvements as a hitter. At 22, that's all you can hope for. He's not a superstar that will dominate a league, but he is getting better and showing legitimate big league ability as he does.

Even if he repeats AAA next year, he's someone to keep an eye on. I would agree he may seem like trade bait, but even if he sticks around, he's got the potential to impact the big club.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #91: June 27, 2011, 10:28:05 PM »
Say what you want about all the other numbers, but Marrero's power numbers have increased as he's climbed levels.

Uh, no, it's decreased if anything.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #92: June 27, 2011, 10:35:46 PM »
Marrero's numbers are better in Syracuse than they were in Harrisburg, last year.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #93: June 27, 2011, 10:38:42 PM »
His slugging percentage/ISO power is not.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #94: June 27, 2011, 10:41:49 PM »
His slugging percentage/ISO power is not.

I'm looking at his other numbers.  They're better.

And his power numbers now aren't bad.

There is FAR MORE right with Marrero than wrong with him.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #95: June 28, 2011, 08:19:15 PM »
average up to .300. 

and yet he couldn't DH for us?!?!

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #96: June 28, 2011, 08:44:51 PM »
marrero really heating up ... just had 0-2 count with runners on corner, drove one in going the other way to pick up his 40th rbi of the year and moved the other runner to 3b.  he's now hitting .302.

kid is a beast.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #97: June 28, 2011, 08:54:31 PM »
It makes me really happy to see him doing so well in AAA. He's getting better as the year goes on, which is great to see.

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #98: June 28, 2011, 09:32:59 PM »
If he came up where would we fit him? Longterm

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Re: Projecting Chris Marrero
« Reply #99: June 28, 2011, 09:41:20 PM »
If he came up where would we fit him? Longterm

First base is the only position he's played. Move Morse back to left and go from there.