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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #150: August 19, 2011, 09:45:39 AM »
Ten days since the last post in this thread, so it is fitting to add his 10 game and season stats updates, courtesy of MiLB.com:

10 game - 36 ABs, .306 /.422 / .639, 2 HR, 8 BB, 5 K :clap:
season - 456 ABs,  .305 /.381 / .463, 14 HR, 56 Bb, 91 K.

In June, July, and August, he's had 37 BB and 49 Ks.  That is a big improvement in plate discipline. 

We've been posting Adrian Gonzalez's numbers at a comparable age and level for a while. Marrero started this year at age 22, turned 23 in July.  this is his first full year in AAA in the IL.  To compare, AG had reached Albuquerque at the tail end of his age 21 season, but did not have much success.  In his first full year in AAA, he was 21 and turned 22 in May.  He put up a .304 / .364 / .457 line over 457 ABs in OK city, with 12 HR, 39 BB, and 73 Ks.  The next year (comparable age to Marrero), over 328 ABs in OK City, AG was .338 / .399 / .561, with 18 Hr, 32 BB, and 44 K.  Edge to AG at comparable age, but with the caveat that the PCL is more hitter-friendly than the international league.  Marrero seems more disciplined than AG at a comparable age, and the progress on BB/K over the last 3 months seems very AG-like.  Also, the 3 month numbers (June - August) for Marrero, over 279 ABs, are even closer to AG second season in OK City, except for the HR (9 for CM). CM's OBP has been over .400 each of those months, and the SLG .494 (my calculation) is pretty close given the diffference in leagues.

I'm actually pretty surprised how close these two are tracking.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #151: August 19, 2011, 10:10:08 AM »
Marrero's walk-rate increase has been very impressive. He looks like a professional hitter, And the high BA is also nice.

The only thing that could stand to improve is more HRs. As far as I'm concerned his defense is no longer a liability either. This guy looks like a Big League player. Not sure why he isn't getting much attention.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #152: August 19, 2011, 10:20:19 AM »
Is he an all-fields, oppo boppo type or a pull power type.  I thought someone said he was more the oppo boppo type. how friendly is Syracuse to opposite field power?

IIRC, either in this thread or the "hope for marrero" thread, I posted a link to either Hardball Times or maybe Fangraphs on opposite field power being relatively late to develop and pretty consistently underestimated by prospect raters.  one of the examples was AG, but there were several more.  I wonder I CM fits that model.

I have not seen Marrero, but for those of you who have, would you say his power is pull or opposite field? 

There's an interesting article from the source I cite too much, written by the author I cite too much, that conjectures (nothing more at this point) that players whose power is to the opposite field tend to develop power late and surprise people.  He mentions, among others, Votto and Adrian Gonzalez.  Given GMU's comparision at the top of the thread, I wonder if this may be an issue with Marrero.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/was-joey-vottos-breakout-predictable/

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #153: August 19, 2011, 10:34:33 AM »
Is he an all-fields, oppo boppo type or a pull power type.  I thought someone said he was more the oppo boppo type. how friendly is Syracuse to opposite field power?

IIRC, either in this thread or the "hope for marrero" thread, I posted a link to either Hardball Times or maybe Fangraphs on opposite field power being relatively late to develop and pretty consistently underestimated by prospect raters.  one of the examples was AG, but there were several more.  I wonder I CM fits that model.


He's a lot like Zimmerman ala 2005. Still hasn't filled out and his power is to right-center.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #154: August 19, 2011, 10:40:49 AM »
SF, you must of seen a lot of Syracuse games this year.... How else can you be so confident in his defense. Unless you're basing your evaluation on a few innings in ST. On second thought, that's exactly how you'd evaluate one of your boys.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #155: August 19, 2011, 10:45:06 AM »
His Error total, Fielding percentage, and RF/G are all up from last year.

2010: 129 games, 18 errors, .984 Field pct, 8.75 RF/G
2011: 117 games, 5 errors, .995 Field pct, 9.35 RF/G

By all accounts he has improved greatly in this area. Probably could handle 1B as good as Morse.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #156: August 19, 2011, 11:21:54 AM »
I voted for him above Goodwin and Hood in the prospect rating thread.  I think he's a good bet to be a solid MLB regular - probably on about the Adam LaRoche level.  Those other two guys could be better but could flame out, too.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #157: August 19, 2011, 11:27:27 AM »
Marrero's walk-rate increase has been very impressive. He looks like a professional hitter, And the high BA is also nice.

The only thing that could stand to improve is more HRs. As far as I'm concerned his defense is no longer a liability either. This guy looks like a Big League player. Not sure why he isn't getting much attention.

the guy you hate - davey johnson - has given him much attention.  he has taken countless opportunities to speak highly of marrero and the plan for him going forward.  he'll be up in a couple weeks.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #158: August 19, 2011, 11:29:04 AM »
SF, you must of seen a lot of Syracuse games this year.... How else can you be so confident in his defense. Unless you're basing your evaluation on a few innings in ST. On second thought, that's exactly how you'd evaluate one of your boys.

no offense, but can't the same be said about norris?  i know you have personally seen him a few times this year up close and personal and have talked with some scouts who watch him, but has his defense improved that much?  sounds like the past balls are still an issue, no?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #159: August 19, 2011, 11:32:05 AM »
no offense, but can't the same be said about norris?  i know you have personally seen him a few times this year up close and personal and have talked with some scouts who watch him, but has his defense improved that much?  sounds like the past balls are still an issue, no?

He hasn't had a passed ball in quite a while, I think.

I've seen him catch seven games this year, as well as talk with scouts like you said... the improvement he's shown from the beginning of the year to the end has been pretty big.

I have no doubts Marrero has improved at 1B... I wasn't questioning that. I was questioning how SF could know that was the case without ever seeing him play.

I'm really quite hopeful that the AGon comparisons pan out! :)

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #160: August 19, 2011, 11:34:02 AM »
He hasn't had a passed ball in quite a while, I think.

I've seen him catch seven games this year, as well as talk with scouts like you said... the improvement he's shown from the beginning of the year to the end has been pretty big.

I have no doubts Marrero has improved at 1B... I wasn't questioning that. I was questioning how SF could know that was the case without ever seeing him play.

I'm really quite hopeful that the AGon comparisons pan out! :)

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #161: August 19, 2011, 12:58:39 PM »
Is he any worse than Morse?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #162: August 19, 2011, 01:07:23 PM »
Is he any worse than Morse?

How do you mean that? Morse has been more than adequate at first since taking over. I'm anxious to see Marrero in our lineup but at the same time, I'm not too excited about seeing Morse get moved to LF.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #163: August 19, 2011, 01:09:58 PM »
right on terpfan.  morse has been an above average 1B.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #164: August 19, 2011, 01:25:58 PM »
the guy you hate - davey johnson - has given him much attention.  he has taken countless opportunities to speak highly of marrero and the plan for him going forward.  he'll be up in a couple weeks.

really looking forward to it, we saw him a bunch of times at Potomac and he always came across as a pretty nice guy.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #165: August 19, 2011, 02:20:08 PM »
How do you mean that? Morse has been more than adequate at first since taking over. I'm anxious to see Marrero in our lineup but at the same time, I'm not too excited about seeing Morse get moved to LF.

Adequate.  That's how I describe Morse at first. He's been adequate. Can Marrero be adequate at first? Morse in LF and Marrero hitting above. 230 at first would improve this team.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #166: August 19, 2011, 03:02:07 PM »
Adequate.  That's how I describe Morse at first. He's been adequate. Can Marrero be adequate at first? Morse in LF and Marrero hitting above. 230 at first would improve this team.

I'd say he's been more than adequate. He makes the plays you expect him to make plus he makes some surprising plays do to his athleticism which plays well at first, but not so well in LF. I'm all for giving Marrero a shot at the end of the month and in the spring, but I think Morse deserves the opportunity to keep the job. I'd love to see Marrero play quality defense at first plus tear the cover off the ball forcing the issue.
It might work out good I reckon, Morse has shown he can play well at first, but if he struggles at the plate while playing left, then what? We still have the issue of LaRoche to hash out as well.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #167: August 19, 2011, 04:40:34 PM »
I'd say he's been more than adequate. He makes the plays you expect him to make plus he makes some surprising plays do to his athleticism which plays well at first, but not so well in LF. I'm all for giving Marrero a shot at the end of the month and in the spring, but I think Morse deserves the opportunity to keep the job. I'd love to see Marrero play quality defense at first plus tear the cover off the ball forcing the issue.
It might work out good I reckon, Morse has shown he can play well at first, but if he struggles at the plate while playing left, then what? We still have the issue of LaRoche to hash out as well.

The stats (DWAR & UZR) disagree and say he's adequate.  I agree with them. I've never seen him make a play at first and thoughts wow

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #168: August 19, 2011, 04:58:12 PM »
The stats (DWAR & UZR) disagree and say he's adequate.  I agree with them. I've never seen him make a play at first and thoughts wow

Never said he was wowing people, just making some surprising plays due to athleticism. I've seen him make some pretty nice plays at first, nothing web gem like necessarily, but good plays nonetheless and I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment, but whatever.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #169: June 05, 2012, 03:45:26 PM »
Just saw a Tweet from Stephen Souza welcoming Marrero to Hagerstown.  What?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #170: June 05, 2012, 03:46:22 PM »
Just saw a Tweet from Stephen Souza welcoming Marrero to Hagerstown.  What?

Maybe just needs a place to workout.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #171: June 05, 2012, 03:49:53 PM »
Wow he is making a rehab start tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!, He had  a torn hamstring and was supposed to come back after the All-star break, i guess he is a fast healer.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #172: June 05, 2012, 10:55:09 PM »
Just in time. LaRoche has come back down to Earth

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #173: June 05, 2012, 11:00:04 PM »
Maybe LaRoche is moved at the deadline, but that's only if they think Werth is coming back

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #174: June 05, 2012, 11:03:57 PM »
Went 0-1 with a BB and was PH for tonight.