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Offline natstime

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #125: August 07, 2011, 10:49:10 AM »
Ah. Hmmm. Morse, LaRoche. Marrero. Only one 1B position.

Do i sense a trade coming?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #126: August 07, 2011, 02:12:44 PM »
Ah. Hmmm. Morse, LaRoche. Marrero. Only one 1B position.
Do i sense a trade coming?
No. I see something more like the cemetery scene in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly."

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #127: August 07, 2011, 02:48:13 PM »
No. I see something more like the cemetery scene in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly."

Which one will be Lee Van Cleef?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #128: August 07, 2011, 03:02:35 PM »
Which one will be Lee Van Cleef?
LaRoche.  Because of his arm injury, he has to draw first.  That, and he seemed to not mind putting us through torture at the start of the year.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #129: August 07, 2011, 03:05:15 PM »
Trade Morse. We'll get more :D

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #130: August 07, 2011, 09:29:01 PM »
Trade Morse. We'll get more :D

Nobody's a bigger fan of Morse than I am, but I'd do that for a #2 starter, if Marrero could step in as an average all-around 1st baseman.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #131: August 07, 2011, 09:37:25 PM »
Lol ... we will see. We do have a log jam at first base though.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #132: August 07, 2011, 09:39:17 PM »
Nobody's a bigger fan of Morse than I am, but I'd do that for a #2 starter, if Marrero could step in as an average all-around 1st baseman.

The thing is, Marrero's upside with the bat isn't much better than what LaRoche can produce, and LaRoche is a better fielder. I see LaRoche stepping in.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #133: August 07, 2011, 09:41:33 PM »
The thing is, Marrero's upside with the bat isn't much better than what LaRoche can produce, and LaRoche is a better fielder. I see LaRoche stepping in.

Oh sure, for 2012 when LaRoche is still under contract.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #134: August 07, 2011, 09:48:02 PM »
Marrero 2/3 with a double and HR so far tonight.

25 doubles, 13 HRs and a .307 BA. Not bad

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #135: August 07, 2011, 10:08:21 PM »
Morse is home-town DC, meaning he was discovered / recovered from the scrap heap in Washington. They got him for Langerhans???

Marrero is a kid from the Nats farm system.

Trade LaRoche.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #136: August 07, 2011, 10:16:11 PM »
Morse is home-town DC, meaning he was discovered / recovered from the scrap heap in Washington. They got him for Langerhans???

Marrero is a kid from the Nats farm system.

Trade LaRoche.

For what? What is a team going to give up for an injured LaRoche?

We all agree that ideally, LaRoche would be gone but I can't see a team giving up anything for a mediocre 1B coming off a major labrum injury. Especially when his salary is $8 million.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #137: August 08, 2011, 04:55:05 PM »
The real question is, can we trade Laroche simply for cash, as in someone else taking on his salary? My gut says that's the most likely outcome this offseason/next spring.

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« Reply #138: August 08, 2011, 04:57:10 PM »
Teams will take LaRoche. He will return from his injury.

They just won't give up much. A healthy LaRoche wouldn't fetch much, one coming off a year off gets even less.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #139: August 08, 2011, 05:04:26 PM »
The real question is, can we trade Laroche simply for cash, as in someone else taking on his salary? My gut says that's the most likely outcome this offseason/next spring.

Teams will take LaRoche. He will return from his injury.

They just won't give up much. A healthy LaRoche wouldn't fetch much, one coming off a year off gets even less.

I suppose it's possible. There isn't going to be much of a market, though. Isn't Lee going to be a free agent again?

Maybe we can convince the loser of the Prince Fielder sweepstakes to take LaRoche. It's all about selling him when he's healthy.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #140: August 08, 2011, 09:04:58 PM »
Walk, Double and 14th homer of the season, so far tonight. :clap:

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #141: August 08, 2011, 09:10:30 PM »
Maybe LaRoche is meant to be a DH? Maybe the White Sox need a 1B?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #142: August 08, 2011, 09:34:32 PM »
Walk, Double and 14th homer of the season, so far tonight. :clap:
He should be squarely back among our top prospects after this impressive season in AAA. He's batting .310! High OBP and good slugging

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« Reply #143: August 08, 2011, 09:35:27 PM »
And Lombo cranked his 4th AAA HR tonight. Batting .318

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #144: August 08, 2011, 09:53:28 PM »
Walk, Double and 14th homer of the season, so far tonight. :clap:
I have seen enough.

Call him up in September. Play Morse in LF for the rest of the season. Give Marrero the starting job at first base. Let's see what he's got.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #145: August 08, 2011, 11:33:33 PM »
Half LaRoche's value is his defensive ability at first base. He's not going anywhere to DH.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #146: August 09, 2011, 07:52:43 AM »
Half LaRoche's value is his defensive ability at first base. He's not going anywhere to DH.

I'm just stretching to find some trade value.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #147: August 19, 2011, 09:45:39 AM »
Ten days since the last post in this thread, so it is fitting to add his 10 game and season stats updates, courtesy of MiLB.com:

10 game - 36 ABs, .306 /.422 / .639, 2 HR, 8 BB, 5 K :clap:
season - 456 ABs,  .305 /.381 / .463, 14 HR, 56 Bb, 91 K.

In June, July, and August, he's had 37 BB and 49 Ks.  That is a big improvement in plate discipline. 

We've been posting Adrian Gonzalez's numbers at a comparable age and level for a while. Marrero started this year at age 22, turned 23 in July.  this is his first full year in AAA in the IL.  To compare, AG had reached Albuquerque at the tail end of his age 21 season, but did not have much success.  In his first full year in AAA, he was 21 and turned 22 in May.  He put up a .304 / .364 / .457 line over 457 ABs in OK city, with 12 HR, 39 BB, and 73 Ks.  The next year (comparable age to Marrero), over 328 ABs in OK City, AG was .338 / .399 / .561, with 18 Hr, 32 BB, and 44 K.  Edge to AG at comparable age, but with the caveat that the PCL is more hitter-friendly than the international league.  Marrero seems more disciplined than AG at a comparable age, and the progress on BB/K over the last 3 months seems very AG-like.  Also, the 3 month numbers (June - August) for Marrero, over 279 ABs, are even closer to AG second season in OK City, except for the HR (9 for CM). CM's OBP has been over .400 each of those months, and the SLG .494 (my calculation) is pretty close given the diffference in leagues.

I'm actually pretty surprised how close these two are tracking.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #148: August 19, 2011, 10:10:08 AM »
Marrero's walk-rate increase has been very impressive. He looks like a professional hitter, And the high BA is also nice.

The only thing that could stand to improve is more HRs. As far as I'm concerned his defense is no longer a liability either. This guy looks like a Big League player. Not sure why he isn't getting much attention.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Chris Marrero, 1B
« Reply #149: August 19, 2011, 10:20:19 AM »
Is he an all-fields, oppo boppo type or a pull power type.  I thought someone said he was more the oppo boppo type. how friendly is Syracuse to opposite field power?

IIRC, either in this thread or the "hope for marrero" thread, I posted a link to either Hardball Times or maybe Fangraphs on opposite field power being relatively late to develop and pretty consistently underestimated by prospect raters.  one of the examples was AG, but there were several more.  I wonder I CM fits that model.

I have not seen Marrero, but for those of you who have, would you say his power is pull or opposite field? 

There's an interesting article from the source I cite too much, written by the author I cite too much, that conjectures (nothing more at this point) that players whose power is to the opposite field tend to develop power late and surprise people.  He mentions, among others, Votto and Adrian Gonzalez.  Given GMU's comparision at the top of the thread, I wonder if this may be an issue with Marrero.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/was-joey-vottos-breakout-predictable/