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Offline PANatsFan

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farm system is improving, for sure which is cool, but it should be much better at this point...imo.
What do you want to do, go back in time and redo the Bowden drafts?

Offline houston-nat

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What do you want to do, go back in time and redo the Bowden drafts?

Just swapping Heyward for Detwiler would do it, in my humble opinion. And making our supplemental-round LHP choice Brett Cecil instead of Josh Smoker.

Offline Kevrock

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Where does Corey Brown rank on these lists?  He's a lot like Maxwell or Burgess - lots of tools (maybe a nod to Rizzo's former boss), lots of strikeouts.  I think BA had Burgess around 15 or 17.  Would Brown be higher up because of his success at AA?  Or lower because he's a couple of years older?

The Baseball America Prospect Handbook has him as the number 11 Athletics prospect. Some highlights from his entry:

  • "has always tantalized the A's with his physical tools, and he began to show a more mature approach last season. He shortened his stroke last year, began using the opposite field more consistently and developed a better two strike plan."
  • Ks remain an issue, tends to pull off the ball against lefties"
  • Intelligent base runner
  • Speed gives him a chance to stay in CF but his arm could play in RF


For comparison Burgess was 19 on our list. Oakland's system was rated much lower than ours, though.

The Prospect Handbook is pretty awesome by the way. I'm not sure how much of what's in here you can find on the BA site but if anyone has any questions, just holler.

Offline daggerrrrrr

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Just swapping Heyward for Detwiler would do it, in my humble opinion. And making our supplemental-round LHP choice Brett Cecil instead of Josh Smoker.
Don't forget OF Mike Stanton instead of Michael Burgess.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Just swapping Heyward for Detwiler would do it, in my humble opinion. And making our supplemental-round LHP choice Brett Cecil instead of Josh Smoker.

were bowden's guys viewed as overdrafts at the time? I don't remember that being the case. I blame the instructional and developmental guys more than the scouts- I have every confidence we would have ruined Heyward too

Offline houston-nat

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Don't forget OF Mike Stanton instead of Michael Burgess.

Can you imagine an outfield of Mike Stanton, Jason Heyward, and Bryce Harper? :shock: If Nationals Park had three right fields, it would be the greatest outfield of all time.

Offline Minty Fresh

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Can you imagine an outfield of Mike Stanton, Jason Heyward, and Bryce Harper? :shock: If Nationals Park had three right fields, it would be the greatest outfield of all time.

Can you imagine if hindsight wasn't 20/20 (or 20/15)?

Offline hammondsnats

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What do you want to do, go back in time and redo the Bowden drafts?

you get so defensive whenever anyone says something somewhat critical of the nats (exlcuding kasten/bowden). 

i think numerous people in our organization have swung and missed on some classes for various reasons. 

i said i'm happy with the progress, but quite frankly, after what we've been through we should have a bit better farm system.  chill out.

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Can you imagine if hindsight wasn't 20/20 (or 20/15)?

Might want to read the irony part of my post.

Offline Minty Fresh

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i think numerous people in our organization have swung and missed on some classes for various reasons. 

That happens in EVERY organization.  The draft - in baseball more than any other sport - is a crap-shoot.

Offline hammondsnats

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That happens in EVERY organization.  The draft - in baseball more than any other sport - is a crap-shoot.

no crap sherlock.  i am saying overall though, our farm system should be better than what it currently is.

Offline Minty Fresh

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no crap sherlock.  i am saying overall though, our farm system should be better than what it currently is.

So should EVERY team's.

Offline hammondsnats

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So should EVERY team's.

Not when you lose as much as ours and hype the plan 8)

Offline daggerrrrrr

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Can you imagine an outfield of Mike Stanton, Jason Heyward, and Bryce Harper? :shock: If Nationals Park had three right fields, it would be the greatest outfield of all time.
I know it's a different draft but, let's not forget Mike Trout instead of Storen. Heyward in LF, Mike Trout in CF, Bryce Harper in RF, and Mike Stanton as the 4th OF. WOW!

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Not when you lose as much as ours and hype the plan 8)

Just when I think You're starting to get it, you come up with fail as evidenced in this thread.   :smh:

Offline hammondsnats

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Just when I think You're starting to get it, you come up with fail as evidenced in this thread.   :smh:

what?  i said we're progressing, but we haven't as much as we should've.  dude we have been the laughing stock of baseball for years and you would think our farm system would be a lot better than what it is right now ... sorry it's not.  the KLAW doesn't have a lot of fans out there - I'm sure as hell ain't one of them - but he does have a point, our system is probably in the early 20s range.

agree to disagree. 

Offline Tyler Durden

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I'm happy to blame Bowden for all the problems in our farm system.  We had some pretty terrible drafts on his watch.  Rizzo seems to have done somewhat better, but it's still way too early to judge.  This will be a big year for him with 3 picks in the top 35.

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you get so defensive whenever anyone says something somewhat critical of the nats (exlcuding kasten/bowden). 


Hang on the Lerner's nuts and you'll get a break from PANatsFan.

Offline NFA Brian

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I'm happy to blame Bowden for all the problems in our farm system.  We had some pretty terrible drafts on his watch.  Rizzo seems to have done somewhat better, but it's still way too early to judge.  This will be a big year for him with 3 picks in the top 35.

I'm more interested in what he does with those picks in rounds 5 and later. Given that this may be the last year with the current rules, there could be slot bonuses meaning that teams won't be able to sign the AJ Coles or Robbie Rays late anymore. If that's the concern, I'd hope the Nats draft/sign a bunch of those type guys in case that loophole goes away

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I'm more interested in what he does with those picks in rounds 5 and later. Given that this may be the last year with the current rules, there could be slot bonuses meaning that teams won't be able to sign the AJ Coles or Robbie Rays late anymore. If that's the concern, I'd hope the Nats draft/sign a bunch of those type guys in case that loophole goes away

I bet a lot of kids go to college then, which frankly is just fine with me.

Offline NFA Brian

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I bet a lot of kids go to college then, which frankly is just fine with me.

I tend to lean the other way about what the kids will do. This is their time to cash in. In three years, there could be no overslot which means they are banking on becoming 1st rounders. For the top guys it's possible (like Gerrit Cole is in 2011) but if you think about the volume of HS seniors who are top 5-6 round talents, there aren't enough top 2 round picks for them to settle into.

I'd imagine we'll see the next tier guys (like Robbie Ray) sign for overslot deals in the mid-six figures this year rather than risk ending up with five figures in 2014

Offline Tyler Durden

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It would be great to get several 1st round type talents in this draft.  I hope Rizzo and the Lerners are thinking along the same lines.  Hopefully some of the money that would have gone to Greinke or Cliff Lee will go towards the draft.  Getting a handful of high ceiling high school players in here would be great.  I still think they should focus on college players at the top of the draft - even if it's only for the first 3 picks - because our ML team needs serious help and that should be the focus at that point in the draft.

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Rather than start another farm system thread, Fanhouse has us ranked 15th.

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15. Washington Nationals | 2010 Rank: 16 | Players in Top 100: 4
They may have graduated Stephen Strasburg, but now they have another super prospect in Bryce Harper. That said, don't underestimate the lesser-known talents in their system like Sammy Solis, Danny Espinosa and Derek Norris. Washington's system is much more than one big-name prospect.


http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2011/02/10/2011-farm-system-rankings/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

Zack Greinke's Milwaukee Brewers are dead last.

Offline Lintyfresh85

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From that article... here are the four prospects ranked in the Top 100

7. Harper
53. Norris
80. Espinosa
97. Solis

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two words:

freak KLAW