Author Topic: Strasburg come back! (Official Stephen Strasburg Road to Return thread) (Read 52386 times)

Sharp · « **Reply #150:** March 10, 2011, 06:47:47 AM »

I think the Nats (and by "the Nats" I mean Riggleman) are saying that because all their prior tests reported no structural arm damage, and then, BAM! TJ surgery. I doubt that Riggleman is really giving a qualified medical opinion on the subject. However, since Strasburg's new UCL is made from a thicker, tougher tendon, it is extremely unlikely that he breaks it again even if exactly the same motion is utilized. Personally I see no reason for him not to continue using his changeup as he was as long as it is an effective pitch for him. Using a lot of offspeed pitches doesn't make you a junkballer, it just means your offspeed pitches are really, really good. No reason to go away from that just because you have a 100 mph fastball.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #151:** March 10, 2011, 07:53:13 AM »

Quote from: houston-nat on March 10, 2011, 04:47:11 AM

I'm just hoping Strasburg returns the way Josh Johnson returned from TJ surgery.

We didn't blow a number one pick on another Josh Johnson. We spent it on a phenom.

I want Stephen Strasburg to come back as Stephen Strasburg.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #152:** March 10, 2011, 08:01:09 AM »

Quote from: Kevrock on March 10, 2011, 06:20:59 AM

I don't buy the "one-pitch" theory that Rizzo is pushing. The seeds for elbow injuries are planted way before they happen, often in youth. A pitcher who is over-used in High School could require TJ years later. I know Strasburg spent much of his youth out of shape, maybe he threw too much too hard for his body type in High School. Who knows?

We had a good discussion about his changeup before. It's really hard to say without having access to very good film. Hopefully the Nats have state-of-the-art film and bio-mechanical analysis equipment, but I have no idea. Someone with access to a pitcher interview should ask.

The Nats are pretty ho-hum about his mechanics in interviews, but I would hope they are doing their due-diligence behind closed doors.

If it was one pitch, they should be doing everything possible to find out what he did on that one particular pitch that caused injury. Did he come off the mound differently? Was the ball slipping out of his hand? Did a butterfly flap its wings in Kansas?

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #153:** March 10, 2011, 08:40:45 AM »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on March 10, 2011, 08:01:09 AM

If it was one pitch, they should be doing everything possible to find out what he did on that one particular pitch that caused injury. Did he come off the mound differently? Was the ball slipping out of his hand? Did a butterfly flap its wings in Kansas?

If it was the changeup it's probably just dumb luck. There really isn't a lot of extra torque on the elbow with a changeup.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #154:** March 10, 2011, 10:40:15 AM »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on March 10, 2011, 07:53:13 AM

We didn't blow a number one pick on another Josh Johnson. We spent it on a phenom.

And we had that for a few months. If they mess with his mojo on the mound I'll be happy if we end up with a Josh Johnson. Sadly the 6.8.2010 Stephen Strasburg is all but a memory for us now. The artist is still here but the mystique is gone.

imref · « **Reply #155:** March 30, 2011, 11:39:27 PM »

Tim Brandt says Strasburg will be back on the hill in August. Assuming his recovery goes to plan, that makes sense, it's a year after surgery.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #156:** March 31, 2011, 12:11:58 AM »

Maybe in the minors.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #157:** March 31, 2011, 07:32:17 AM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on March 31, 2011, 12:11:58 AM

Maybe in the minors.

If he comes back this year it's going to be a disaster. Much like my Wang being washed-up avatar bet I'll take one on that too.

Terpfan76 · « **Reply #158:** March 31, 2011, 09:07:22 AM »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on March 31, 2011, 07:32:17 AM

If he comes back this year it's going to be a disaster. Much like my Wang being washed-up avatar bet I'll take one on that too.

Like Zimmermann? I don't think anyone expects Strasburg to come back at the end of the season and dominate, I think most of us just want to see him come back and pitch some relatively meaningless innings just to get some work in. It seems as though that's part of the psychological aspect of Tommy John rehab.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #159:** March 31, 2011, 09:17:46 AM »

Quote from: Terpfan76 on March 31, 2011, 09:07:22 AM

Like Zimmermann? I don't think anyone expects Strasburg to come back at the end of the season and dominate, I think most of us just want to see him come back and pitch some relatively meaningless innings just to get some work in. It seems as though that's part of the psychological aspect of Tommy John rehab.

My issue is more with the "Strasmas Mania" that the FO will drum up to sell tickets once we're in the cellar in August/September.

imref · « **Reply #160:** March 31, 2011, 09:50:11 AM »

Quote from: Terpfan76 on March 31, 2011, 09:07:22 AM

Like Zimmermann? I don't think anyone expects Strasburg to come back at the end of the season and dominate, I think most of us just want to see him come back and pitch some relatively meaningless innings just to get some work in. It seems as though that's part of the psychological aspect of Tommy John rehab.

agreed, if he follows a normal rehab he'll be back in the majors in August, assuming no set backs why not go the same route as J-Zimm and get some major league starts in before the season ends. And yes, from a marketing stand-point it will be very cool if we close out 2011 with Strasburg and Harper on the club.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #161:** March 31, 2011, 10:15:24 AM »

August?!? That's not normal at all. Rehab lasts 12-18 months. JZ was the exception, not the rule. People need to get their expectations in check.

Kevrock · « **Reply #162:** March 31, 2011, 10:19:25 AM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on March 31, 2011, 10:15:24 AM

August?!? That's not normal at all. Rehab lasts 12-18 months. JZ was the exception, not the rule. People need to get their expectations in check.

Agreed.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #163:** March 31, 2011, 10:20:32 AM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on March 31, 2011, 10:15:24 AM

People need to get their expectations in check.

Like the front office.

CatsEye · « **Reply #164:** March 31, 2011, 10:33:29 AM »

Too many young pitchers are having to have that surgery, once they get in the Majors, like Zimmermann, Strasburg, etc. Something just doesn't seem right about that. Too much pressure to throw fastballs at 95mph or above. or what? Or are they being taught poor pitching mechanics.......that causes the wear?

houston-nat · « **Reply #165:** March 31, 2011, 10:34:33 AM »

Guys, I've done the math. If Strasburg follows Jordan Zimmermann's schedule exactly, he should be back in the major leagues for one or two weeks, maximum, at the end of September or beginning of October. I think it would be reasonable to expect him to make at most two starts, if he makes any. They might just let him finish his season in Harrisburg and then get ready for winter.

imref · « **Reply #166:** March 31, 2011, 10:43:16 AM »

Joe nathan, at what, 34?, came back in a year as did zimm

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #167:** March 31, 2011, 10:46:42 AM »

12-18 months. Not sure what else needs to be said.

JMUalumni · « **Reply #168:** March 31, 2011, 11:03:39 AM »

Yeah, I agree with what others have said. He won't be back in August. Zimmermann had surgery August 19, 2009 and returned on August 26, 2010 and that is as quick as you can expect anyone to return. If Stras had surgery on September 3, 2010, then it follows he will not be back until the first week of September at the VERY earliest.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #169:** March 31, 2011, 01:27:28 PM »

Maybe throwing in the GCL in August, not the majors.

tomterp · « **Reply #170:** April 14, 2011, 09:53:33 PM »

Quote

Stephen Strasburg has not yet thrown off a mound in his rehab from Tommy John surgery, which places him slightly behind the schedule Jordan Zimmermann followed one year ago. That does not necessarily portend any problem with Strasburg’s recovery, but it might mean he’s more likely to return next season than this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/post/stephen-strasburg-yet-to-throw-off-a-mound/2011/04/13/AFvFByYD_blog.html

hammondsnats · « **Reply #171:** April 14, 2011, 10:00:55 PM »

hopefully strasburg looks @ JZ tonight as a confidence builder.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #172:** April 14, 2011, 10:32:41 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on April 14, 2011, 09:53:33 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/post/stephen-strasburg-yet-to-throw-off-a-mound/2011/04/13/AFvFByYD_blog.html

I always assumed that he'd pitch in 2012, not 2011.

JZ was a freak.

Smithian · « **Reply #173:** April 14, 2011, 10:57:16 PM »

I'd come out right now and rule him out for this year. Let him take the rehab slowly.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #174:** April 15, 2011, 05:52:52 AM »

This is probably the best course of action. I believe JZ had a few starts in the minors before coming up to DC. We should have Stras do the same and see some innings in AA towards the end of the year if he's ready at that point. No reason to rush him back in September just to pitch in the majors - we're probably headed for a historically bad season of 45 wins anyway with several players managing to bat under .200 for the season, anyway, and Rizzo is a moron and bring back Dunn, etc.