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Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4225: June 05, 2019, 02:26:12 PM »
I agree with you. But you had to try hard to get a dud in that draft. It was absolutely loaded.

2 teams in the top 5 got complete duds and then a 3rd, the Orioles, got Bundy who has been a below average starter.  There were a lot of good players that also went behind Rendon.  And individually not every decision/draft pick is all a GM.  They don't deserve all the praise or all the blame in many case by case examples, but they are ultimately responsible over the long haul.  When you consider where this organzation was when Rizzo took over 10 years ago, he gets at least a solid B.  I don't think he's a better GM if Storen closes a playoff game or Gio doesn't fall apart, although he'd be looked at it like he was.  That's just the way it is.  If this season ends without a postseason bid, then I think this offseason is big for his future.  He needs to retool or yes, it may be time for someone else.  But he deserves that chance.

Offline Slateman

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« Reply #4226: June 05, 2019, 05:56:51 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasBoswellWP/status/1136363721381560322

The Nats have given up 60 runs in 61 games. In the 8th inning.

Rizzo has to do something and he needs to do it now,  before the Braves and Phillies make their trade deadline moves and are too far away

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4227: June 06, 2019, 09:49:05 PM »
DJ Lemathieu

.324
7 HR
40 RBI

And Rizzo the genius decided to sign Dozier. Brilliant.

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« Reply #4228: June 06, 2019, 09:57:39 PM »
DJ Lemathieu

.324
7 HR
40 RBI

And Rizzo the genius decided to sign Dozier. Brilliant.

If it was your plan to have Kieboom play 2nd next year, signing Lameheiu to more years and more dollars didn’t make much sense. Plus some stats projected he might do poorly away from Coors. Although baseball references new stat (runs deserved or something similar?) was high on him, so there’s that. 

Offline spidernat

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4229: June 06, 2019, 09:58:41 PM »
:lmao:

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4230: June 06, 2019, 10:02:16 PM »
:lmao:

 :shrug:

That seemed fairly uncontroversial..?

Offline NatsAllThe Way

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4231: June 07, 2019, 08:44:18 AM »
If it was your plan to have Kieboom play 2nd next year, signing Lameheiu to more years and more dollars didn’t make much sense. Plus some stats projected he might do poorly away from Coors. Although baseball references new stat (runs deserved or something similar?) was high on him, so there’s that. 

Dozier has more dongs.

Offline JCA-CrystalCity

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4232: June 07, 2019, 09:43:22 AM »
If it was your plan to have Kieboom play 2nd next year, signing Lameheiu to more years and more dollars didn’t make much sense. Plus some stats projected he might do poorly away from Coors. Although baseball references new stat (runs deserved or something similar?) was high on him, so there’s that. 
but, he would have been insurance for either Rendon departing (Kieboom to 3d) or Kieboom not panning out.  At worst, he was a super utility.  The hitting away from Coors was more of a thing, I suppose, but still, the issue with the Dozier signing was how much of a bounceback would he have.  Risk to both.  We took the wrong one.


Offline imref

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4233: June 07, 2019, 09:50:38 AM »
but, he would have been insurance for either Rendon departing (Kieboom to 3d) or Kieboom not panning out.  At worst, he was a super utility.  The hitting away from Coors was more of a thing, I suppose, but still, the issue with the Dozier signing was how much of a bounceback would he have.  Risk to both.  We took the wrong one.


Since May 1:
Dozier: .267 / .342 / .475, 5 HRs

LeMahieu: .333 / .379 / .520 / 6 HRs

Yes, LeMahieu is having a better season, but not by a ridiculous amount.  I don't think it's a fair argument to say that had we signed him instead of Dozier we'd be in a much different position than we are now.

BTW: Dozier since May 15:
.310 / .379 / .603 / 4 HRs

LeMahieu:
.307 / .351 / .523 / 5 HRs

Offline Slateman

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« Reply #4234: June 07, 2019, 10:45:11 AM »
Since May 1:
Dozier: .267 / .342 / .475, 5 HRs

LeMahieu: .333 / .379 / .520 / 6 HRs

Yes, LeMahieu is having a better season, but not by a ridiculous amount.  I don't think it's a fair argument to say that had we signed him instead of Dozier we'd be in a much different position than we are now.

BTW: Dozier since May 15:
.310 / .379 / .603 / 4 HRs

LeMahieu:
.307 / .351 / .523 / 5 HRs

So April games don't matter? .323/.371/.480 would have been really freaking useful the last ten days in April.

If you want to make the argument that LeMahieu's success outside of Coors wasn't exactly expected, fine. But there is no way in hell that Brian Dozier is having an even remotely comparable season to LeMaheiu.

LeMaheiu is an All Star second baseman and Dozier isn't even the best second baseman on his team.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4235: June 07, 2019, 11:10:24 AM »
So April games don't matter? .323/.371/.480 would have been really freaking useful the last ten days in April.

If you want to make the argument that LeMahieu's success outside of Coors wasn't exactly expected, fine. But there is no way in hell that Brian Dozier is having an even remotely comparable season to LeMaheiu.

LeMaheiu is an All Star second baseman and Dozier isn't even the best second baseman on his team.

I didn't say they don't matter.  But it's a bit too soon to say we would have been better off signing LeMahieu over Dozier, it's a long season.

Offline UMDNats

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« Reply #4236: June 07, 2019, 11:11:22 AM »
I didn't say they don't matter.  But it's a bit too soon to say we would have been better off signing LeMahieu over Dozier, it's a long season.

LeMahieu would have been a better signing because he can play all over the place and Dozier is a mediocre 2B who was unplayable for a month in a crucial time of the season. But DJ's utility alone would have been more valuable than anything Dozier can do. Howie Kendrick is more versatile than Brian Dozier, which is sad.

Offline Slateman

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« Reply #4237: June 07, 2019, 11:26:10 AM »
LeMahieu would have been a better signing because he can play all over the place and Dozier is a mediocre 2B who was unplayable for a month in a crucial time of the season. But DJ's utility alone would have been more valuable than anything Dozier can do. Howie Kendrick is more versatile than Brian Dozier, which is sad.
This. In hindsight, LeMahieu is the better signing.

Of course, not many were championing this in the offseason.

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« Reply #4238: June 07, 2019, 11:31:59 AM »
This. In hindsight, LeMahieu is the better signing.

Of course, not many were championing this in the offseason.

right, given LeMahieu's splits away from Coors.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4239: June 07, 2019, 11:33:58 AM »
I can see why an AL team was more interested in him because of the DH. It's whatever, in hindsight we wish we could do it differently. I'm still pissed we didn't sign Adam Warren this offseason.

Offline Slateman

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« Reply #4240: June 07, 2019, 11:37:24 AM »
I can see why an AL team was more interested in him because of the DH. It's whatever, in hindsight we wish we could do it differently. I'm still pissed we didn't sign Adam Warren this offseason.

His 5.40 ERA would be an improvement ....

Offline Slateman

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« Reply #4241: June 08, 2019, 07:30:57 PM »
Giolito is an ace and Nick Pivetta actually looks decent.

Offline Expos

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« Reply #4242: June 11, 2019, 09:05:38 PM »
Giolito is an ace and Nick Pivetta actually looks decent.

Giolito

9-1
2.28 ERA
.92 WHIP
75 innings
89 K

So we chose to trade Giolito for Eaton and let Harper walk then we gave 140 million to Corbin who Is struggling now.

Has any of Rizzo's decisions worked out? Harper and Giolito would be better than Eaton and Corbin.

Not mentioning all the All Star relievers he has let go. Vasquez, Gott, Kelly, Petit, Kintzler, Treinen, Holland among others.

Gott .788 WHIP
Petit .887 WHIP
Kintzler .777 WHIP
Kelly 1.099 WHIP
Holland 1.015 WHIP
Vasquez 1.207 WHIP, 14.2 K/9
Treinen 1.4 WHIP

Oh and also Charlie Morton who we could have signed is 8-0 with a 2.10 ERA and a 1.020 WHIP in 81.8 innings with 98 K's.

Offline Slateman

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« Reply #4243: June 11, 2019, 09:07:32 PM »
Giolito

9-1
2.28 ERA
.92 WHIP
75 innings
89 K

So we chose to trade Giolito for Eaton and let Harper walk then we gave 140 million to Corbin who Is struggling now.

Has any of Rizzo's decisions worked out? Harper and Giolito would be better than Eaton and Corbin.

Not mentioning all the All Star relievers he has let go. Vasquez, Gott, Kelly, Petit, Kintzler, Treinen

Gott .788 WHIP
Petit .887 WHIP
Kintzler .777 WHIP
Kelly 1.099 WHIP
Vasquez 1.207 WHIP, 14.2 K/9
Treinen 1.4 WHIP

Oh and also Charlie Morton who we could have signed is 8-0 with a 2.10 ERA and a 1.020 WHIP in 81.8 innings with 98 K's.

If you could please point the posts at the time of those deals where you disagreed with the move . . .

Offline Expos

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4244: June 11, 2019, 09:16:13 PM »
If you could please point the posts at the time of those deals where you disagreed with the move . . .

If I cared about what you thought I could dig up some posts about me wanting to sign Morton and not wanting to trade Giolito. Or not wanting to get rid of any of those relievers.

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« Reply #4245: June 11, 2019, 09:24:31 PM »
If you could please point the posts at the time of those deals where you disagreed with the move . . .

How much is Rizzo paid to evaluate talent?

Offline nats4ever

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« Reply #4246: June 11, 2019, 09:30:01 PM »
Nationals fans don't even talk about Giolitto because when he was here you guys thought he sucked lol. It's the fact he is do well NOW, you trying to back track a blame Rizzo for trading him.

Offline Slateman

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« Reply #4247: June 11, 2019, 09:34:32 PM »
How much is Rizzo paid to evaluate talent?
Is he paid to predict injuries? Which of these trades did the Nats not get a quality return?

Nationals fans don't even talk about Giolitto because when he was here you guys thought he sucked lol. It's the fact he is do well NOW, you trying to back track a blame Rizzo for trading him.
Giolito did suck when he was here. He was coming un at 91-92.And couldn't throw anything for strikes.

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« Reply #4248: June 11, 2019, 09:37:21 PM »
Is he paid to predict injuries? Which of these trades did the Nats not get a quality return?

Giolito for Eaton is looking like a pretty crappy return- even healthy, he’s mediocre

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« Reply #4249: June 11, 2019, 09:39:10 PM »
Giolito for Eaton is looking like a pretty crappy return- even healthy, he’s mediocre
No. He was a 4-6 WAR player before the injuries.