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Offline imref

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The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Topic Start: October 21, 2010, 07:41:11 PM »
Per fangraphs, I give you:



Melky Cabrera and a -1.2 WAR

Honorable mention:
Carlos Lee (-0.8), Adam Lind (-0.3), Cesar Izturis (-0.3), Skip Schumaker (-0.2), and Johnny Gomes (-0.1)

No Nats in the top 6  :P

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #1: October 21, 2010, 07:42:22 PM »


interesting, a pretty even split between bad offense and bad defense.

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #2: October 21, 2010, 07:54:32 PM »
Who?

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #3: October 21, 2010, 09:31:17 PM »
Nieves was robbed

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #4: October 22, 2010, 02:43:23 PM »
BRANDON WOOD

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #5: October 22, 2010, 03:01:55 PM »
The thing about Brandon Wood and Wil Nieves is that they played for smart enough managers who knew a bad thing and would not play them.  But that Cox fellow should just retire.  What did he win in the past 15 years?

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #6: October 23, 2010, 12:03:13 AM »
Carlos Quentin. 

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #7: October 23, 2010, 12:05:24 AM »
I don't care what WAR says. Nieves was the worst. Period.

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #8: October 23, 2010, 09:59:23 AM »
I think it captures a combination of stinkiness and playing time.  A guy like Nieves may stink more, in the platonic ideal sense of a bad player, but even Riggles was smart enough to limit his playing time so the archetype of stinkitude was not soil the dirt around home plate more than 158 PAs and less than 400 innings in the field.  Cox, OTOH, through senility or sentimentality, played the Melkman for 509 PAs and 1064 innings.  Clearly, Riggleman is sharper than Cox at this point.

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #9: October 23, 2010, 10:34:33 AM »
I feel like truly terrible catchers are undervalued by this because catchers tend to get less plate appearances. To say that 509 PAs for melky is better/worse? than 158 for nieves truly underestimates neives' level of suck

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #10: October 23, 2010, 04:24:25 PM »
This could be a debate for the ages.  It reminds me of the joke Woodie Allen tells in Annie Hall about the two old ladies complaining about the food at their retirement home, "The food! it's so terrible!"  "Yes, and in such small portions!" With Melky, you get big portions of terrible.  With Wil, you get small portions, but it is truly awful and you have to eat it.

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #12: October 23, 2010, 11:52:52 PM »
I think it captures a combination of stinkiness and playing time.  A guy like Nieves may stink more, in the platonic ideal sense of a bad player, but even Riggles was smart enough to limit his playing time so the archetype of stinkitude was not soil the dirt around home plate more than 158 PAs and less than 400 innings in the field. 

And 158 PAs and 400 innings was STILL too many!  There were times when a blank space in the batting order would have been better!

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #13: October 24, 2010, 02:06:02 PM »
And 158 PAs and 400 innings was STILL too many!  There were times when a blank space in the batting order would have been better!
I pulled for the inanimate carbon rod instead of Wil all season, but no one took me seriously. 

Try sliding into a well positioned carbon rod.  Man that will mess up your knee!

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #14: October 24, 2010, 02:13:12 PM »
and think how small the strike zone would be- I bet it would have a better obp than Nieves

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #15: October 25, 2010, 11:58:24 PM »
Nieves had -0.3 WAR in way less at-bats... this method of determining worst player isn't going to work because most truly terrible players don't get enough PAs to qualify.

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #16: October 26, 2010, 06:08:14 PM »
Nieves had -0.3 WAR in way less at-bats... this method of determining worst player isn't going to work because most truly terrible players don't get enough PAs to qualify.

Darwinism at work.

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #17: October 26, 2010, 11:27:30 PM »
This is what makes Melky's achievement so much more amazing. He did it day after day, despite all reason.

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #18: October 27, 2010, 07:42:09 AM »
To be fair, after they traded for his inept ass, they weren't about to admit he was worthless

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Re: The Worst Player in Baseball for 2010
« Reply #20: November 05, 2010, 05:29:50 PM »
BTW - in that post about the top 50 free agents, MC Failure was #50.