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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #200: September 05, 2010, 04:48:58 PM »
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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #201: September 05, 2010, 04:50:17 PM »
Another Curly W in the books.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #202: September 05, 2010, 04:54:37 PM »
Desmond likely out tomorrow according to Riggleman. Just to rest aches and pains.

I'm guessing Espinosa will be SS.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #203: September 05, 2010, 04:59:29 PM »
I'd rather put AlGo at SS tomorrow and leave Espinosa at 2B. Eventually Nyjer's suspension will come down and we'll need Adam Kennedy in the lineup to leadoff and we want Espinosa to get as much game time as possible at 2B.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #204: September 05, 2010, 04:59:58 PM »
It seems almost unfair to the Pirates that we run a couple of true #1's at them these last two games.


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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #205: September 05, 2010, 05:03:21 PM »
It seems almost unfair to the Pirates that we run a couple of true #1's at them these last two games.

Their fans don't mind. They have a great view of office buildings.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #206: September 05, 2010, 05:10:02 PM »
The Peach-meister?  That's a new knickname I haven't heard.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #207: September 05, 2010, 05:10:25 PM »
The Peach-meister?  That's a new knickname I haven't heard.

Phil Wood = hammondsnats

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #208: September 05, 2010, 05:12:30 PM »
Lol

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #209: September 05, 2010, 07:19:11 PM »
BANG ZOOM!


BANG!!! ZOOM!!!  

NATIONALS WIN!!!

POST ANOTHER CURLY  :w:




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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #210: September 05, 2010, 08:57:06 PM »
wow.  6 out of 10 since Nyjer fired up the team by his hard nosed play starting in the St. L series!

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #211: September 05, 2010, 09:08:16 PM »
I really don't think St. Louis was an example of hard nosed play.

Got picked off down four runs in the eighth and then the next night he goes out of his way to hit a defenseless catcher who wasn't even involved in the play.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #212: September 05, 2010, 09:09:18 PM »
I wonder how many wins the team lost out on by playing Guzman over Desmond, Kennedy and Espinosa?

5,732.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #213: September 05, 2010, 09:09:31 PM »
wow.  6 out of 10 since Nyjer fired up the team by his hard nosed play starting in the St. L series!
I forgot the ;)

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #214: September 05, 2010, 09:12:15 PM »
Didn't Desmond, Guzman, and Kennedy have about the same OBP in the first half?

And that's the problem.  A terrible batter, except when on the occasional hot streak, with no range, played over a solid vet and the top IF prospect that was MLB ready.  Notice just how quickly Texas stashed him on the DL once they saw just how much he sucked.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #215: September 05, 2010, 09:17:37 PM »
Really?

I've under estimated Livo then. I thought he was in the 70's.

That's his age.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #216: September 05, 2010, 09:24:40 PM »
And that's the problem.  A terrible batter, except when on the occasional hot streak, with no range, played over a solid vet and the top IF prospect that was MLB ready.  Notice just how quickly Texas stashed him on the DL once they saw just how much he sucked.

Agreed, but we were talking about something else.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #217: September 05, 2010, 09:30:39 PM »
Agreed, but we were talking about something else.

You were talking about if Guzman playing over Kennedy/Desmond hurt the team's win total.  That's exactly what I referenced.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #218: September 05, 2010, 09:38:01 PM »
You were talking about if Guzman playing over Kennedy/Desmond hurt the team's win total.  That's exactly what I referenced.

The win total in the first half would have been pretty much the same. That's what we were talking about. Kennedy hasn't been a "solid vet" this season and Desmond was pretty bad in the first half. Guzman didn't have a good first half, but he wasn't really worse than those two.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #219: September 05, 2010, 10:11:34 PM »
The win total in the first half would have been pretty much the same. That's what we were talking about. Kennedy hasn't been a "solid vet" this season and Desmond was pretty bad in the first half. Guzman didn't have a good first half, but he wasn't really worse than those two.

It wasn't limited to the first half, but to the time prior to Guzman's trade.  Kennedy's struggles magically disappeared the moment Guzman was gone.  Desmond's defense would have been helped by having a legitimate 2B to work with regularly from the start.  WPA has them as a wash while WAR puts the Kennedy/Desmond combo about 3 total wins ahead of Guzman now.  I think you could project out 4-5 with a full season's PAs for both thus meaning 2-3 prior to the time of the trade.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #220: September 05, 2010, 10:15:21 PM »
It wasn't limited to the first half, but to the time prior to Guzman's trade.  Kennedy's struggles magically disappeared the moment Guzman was gone.  Desmond's defense would have been helped by having a legitimate 2B to work with regularly from the start.  WPA has them as a wash while WAR puts the Kennedy/Desmond combo about 3 total wins ahead of Guzman now.  I think you could project out 4-5 with a full season's PAs for both thus meaning 2-3 prior to the time of the trade.

It's a guess either way. I just don't see it as something that would have made a huge difference before or after Guzman was traded. Guzman shouldn't have started 16 games at short for us, though.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #221: September 05, 2010, 10:25:10 PM »
It's a guess either way. I just don't see it as something that would have made a huge difference before or after Guzman was traded. Guzman shouldn't have started 16 games at short for us, though.

Agreed it's not a huge difference, but it is one that kept the better 2B on the bench for too long and slowed the overall development of the SS.  That's enough reason to be against it.  And, at the team's current level, 2-3 wins in the first half looks pretty big right now.  61-62 just looks a lot better than 59.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #222: September 05, 2010, 10:32:25 PM »
lol 2-3 wins.  Okay.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #223: September 05, 2010, 10:33:15 PM »
Agreed it's not a huge difference, but it is one that kept the better 2B on the bench for too long and slowed the overall development of the SS.  That's enough reason to be against it.  And, at the team's current level, 2-3 wins in the first half looks pretty big right now.  61-62 just looks a lot better than 59.

Gonzalez should have gotten more PT this year at second. He's a damn good fielder and he's right there with Kennedy offensively.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 3
« Reply #224: September 05, 2010, 11:12:26 PM »
Gonzalez should have gotten more PT this year at second. He's a damn good fielder and he's right there with Kennedy offensively.

I'll agree with that for sure.  His offense has perked up this season and he should have been the 3rd man in the rotation at SS/2B.  Whether Espinosa forces his way into the starting 2B spot to start next year, or forces a call up at some point during the season, Kennedy is the guy who goes and AlGo should continue in that MI sub role.  Just a really solid guy to have.