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« Reply #125: February 07, 2010, 02:54:58 PM »
I thought Kielty might likely have been a nice RH platoon OF to pair with a LH bat. Originally thought about it when before Church left for NYM.

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« Reply #127: February 10, 2010, 05:22:18 PM »
Saw this on Twitter today.


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« Reply #128: February 10, 2010, 06:21:23 PM »
yeah i saw that too.  got a chuckle out of me.

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« Reply #129: February 10, 2010, 06:53:52 PM »
Aside from the fact that it's the cubs, what funny did I miss?

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« Reply #130: February 10, 2010, 07:28:32 PM »
I'm guessing it has to do with the part of the title that should say "Annual"

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« Reply #131: February 10, 2010, 07:33:05 PM »
Haha, well done.

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« Reply #132: February 11, 2010, 10:50:03 AM »
Lincecum is headed for arbitration. At arbitration hearings, the team's job is to argue that the player is not that good based on stats, etc. How do you do that with Lincecum?

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« Reply #133: February 11, 2010, 10:58:06 AM »
You don't.

You argue giving him what he deserves would destroy the whole point of arbitration (cost effective way for teams to keep their players through their prime years) and hope the arbiter agrees with you.

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« Reply #134: February 11, 2010, 11:12:07 AM »
You don't.

You argue giving him what he deserves would destroy the whole point of arbitration (cost effective way for teams to keep their players through their prime years) and hope the arbiter agrees with you.

That's not his or her job. Giants have no leverage.

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« Reply #135: February 11, 2010, 11:20:38 AM »
We'll have to see.

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« Reply #136: February 11, 2010, 01:46:39 PM »
You don't.

You argue giving him what he deserves would destroy the whole point of arbitration (cost effective way for teams to keep their players through their prime years) and hope the arbiter agrees with you.

As I was saying earlier... and expected the Giants would try to do.

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Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports that the Giants may send as few as one member of their front office to Friday's scheduled arbitration hearing for Tim Lincecum.

According to Olney, "the heavily lifting" for the management's side will be done by major league baseball, not the Giants. Obviously all owners have something at stake with such an unprecedented case, but this could turn into an ugly dispute with the players' union if a multi-year contract can't reached before the hearing.

They'll just go with the 'bad for the game' argument and hope it sticks.

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« Reply #137: February 12, 2010, 10:17:35 AM »
http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/9012287485

There's no way an impartial arbiter would go with "Bad for the Game" if he's supposed to use stats as a guide.

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« Reply #138: February 12, 2010, 10:59:53 AM »
It is probably fair to argue the arbiter that the MLB contract allows for 3 years of arbitration and puts a restriction on the maximum pay cut that a player can be offered in arbitration.  In light of this, the injury history of pitchers in general and small pitchers in particular, paying Lincecum $13m would impose a big risk on the team down the line in future contracts.  were Lincecum to develop an injury or regress, the team could retain the right to his services only by offering a minimum of $10.5m or so next year.  Essentially, an arbitration award at the player's offer would make it more likely that A-Clown SF would lose his services in the future.  

The first arbitration award needs to be substantially below (<50%) of FA market value in order to adjust for this risk.  Call it the Fernando Valenzuela / Hideki Nomo factor.  This seems to be the pattern in settlements and other arbitration awards.  At $13m, he's being priced at $28m as a FA, or more than any other player in the game.  An $8m award would price him as a $20m FA, which would make him the 3d highest valued pitcher behind CC and Johan (and more than Roy).

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« Reply #139: February 12, 2010, 11:01:23 AM »
Should we start a 2010 thread or does everyone want the 2009 thread to cover the entire offseason?

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« Reply #140: February 12, 2010, 11:03:44 AM »
Should we start a 2010 thread or does everyone want the 2009 thread to cover the entire offseason?

Really, everything after the World Series is specualtion / discussion of 2010, so maybe move those posts and then lock down 2009.  Maybe even label the thread 2009-2010 offseason, then lock it 4/4/10

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« Reply #141: February 12, 2010, 11:12:12 AM »
Makes sense.  Done and done.

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« Reply #142: February 12, 2010, 11:18:05 AM »
Makes sense.  Done and done.

You mean "done and Dunnkey."

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« Reply #143: February 12, 2010, 11:40:17 AM »
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jcrasnick  Buster Olney is reporting that Tim Lincecum has agreed to a multiyear deal with Giants pending physical

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Ken_Rosenthal  Source: #Giants reach multi-year agreement with Lincecum. Pending physical

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« Reply #144: February 12, 2010, 11:42:31 AM »
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jcrasnick Buster Olney is reporting that Lincecum's agreement is for 2 years and $23 million.

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« Reply #145: February 12, 2010, 11:46:53 AM »
He needs to take a physical?  Is a drug test included?

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« Reply #146: February 12, 2010, 11:53:04 AM »
I seriously doubt they care about his weed habit.

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« Reply #147: February 12, 2010, 11:55:19 AM »
He needs to take a physical?  Is a drug test included?

How do the team doctor's not know his physical status?

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« Reply #148: February 12, 2010, 11:56:23 AM »
He probably hasn't been seen by the team doctor since his exit physical at the end of the year.

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« Reply #149: February 12, 2010, 12:50:49 PM »
How do the team doctor's not know his physical status?

With 23 million on the table, they might want to have insurance docs/do the physical inline with insurer requirements