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Offline Minty Fresh

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Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Topic Start: December 22, 2009, 09:50:42 AM »
XM-175 is reporting that multiple writers are tweeting a deal between Atlanta and the Yankees:

Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan to New York for  - 

Melky Cabrera, Michael Dunn and a minor leaguer.

Also posted in Hot Stove 2009 thread.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #1: December 22, 2009, 10:07:15 AM »
How good of a prospect is Dunn?  His stats do not jump out, but I think he's been hyped a bit.  I'm not a Melkman.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #2: December 22, 2009, 10:08:51 AM »
Good, get him out of the division...

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #3: December 22, 2009, 11:23:43 AM »
I almost committed suicide when I say the ESPN Headline "Sources: Braves get Cabrera, Dunn"

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #4: December 22, 2009, 02:33:59 PM »
I almost committed suicide when I say the ESPN Headline "Sources: Braves get Cabrera, Dunn"
Hahaha!  That'd suck royally.

I have mixed feelings about this.  Glad to get Vazquez away from the Braves, but crap. >:( I'm not even an ardent Yankee hater, and I tend not to whine about their payroll, but they really are starting to get a monopoly on talent.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #5: December 22, 2009, 04:20:11 PM »
Personally, I will never feel for the Yankees, who's "reduced" 2010 payroll will still be about three times that of what the Nats will end up with.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #6: December 22, 2009, 04:30:02 PM »
Personally, I will never feel for the Yankees, who's "reduced" 2010 payroll will still be about three times that of what the Nats will end up with.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #7: December 22, 2009, 04:39:54 PM »
Personally, I will never feel for the Yankees, who's "reduced" 2010 payroll will still be about three times that of what the Nats will end up with.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #8: December 22, 2009, 04:57:37 PM »
Personally, I will never feel for the Yankees, who's "reduced" 2010 payroll will still be about three times that of what the Nats will end up with.

Well, look what the cat drug in.   ;)

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #9: December 22, 2009, 05:43:26 PM »
Personally, I will never feel for the Yankees, who's "reduced" 2010 payroll will still be about three times that of what the Nats will end up with.

It'll be closer to double. The Nats aren't done yet.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #10: December 22, 2009, 11:26:15 PM »
Teams should try to emulate the Yankees instead of nagging about how much money they make. Since winning ball clubs generally make more money, they can reinvest to make the team even better, which leads to more winning which makes them richer. The Yankees are the Yankees, but they don't have a monopoly on their business model.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #11: December 22, 2009, 11:59:36 PM »
How good of a prospect is Dunn?  His stats do not jump out, but I think he's been hyped a bit.  I'm not a Melkman.

His K/9 and FIP are dominant up to AA.  He got to AAA finally last year, at 25, and only his WHIP was below average with his K/9 still off the charts.  Looks like a top tier lefty in the pen and he started a lot in the low minors so that may even be an option.

I'd take him over Bruney every day of the week.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #12: December 23, 2009, 08:51:43 PM »
I went to minorleaguesplits.com to look at his luck neutralized major league equivalents and was not blown away (5.04 FIP). Looks like he's a bit walk prone, projected to be worse against major leaguers.  Looks like MacDougal's lefty little brother.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #13: December 23, 2009, 09:00:49 PM »
Vizcaino, the A ball pitcher, is the one with the big upside in the deal.  Here's is a Fangraphs take on Dunn that was in the NYY top 10 prospects article. they had him 6th in the system (Vizcaino 4th, which is high for a guy a couple of years from the majors).

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6. Michael Dunn, LHP, Majors
DOB: May 1985 Bats: L Throws: L
Signed: 2004 33rd round - Austin Peay State University
MLB ETA: Now 40-Man Roster: Yes Options: 3
Repertoire: 88-94 mph fastball, plus slider, change-up

The trade of Phil Coke (to the Tigers in the Curtis Granderson deal) suggests that the club is comfortable relying on Dunn in 2010, if a veteran arm cannot be found on the free-agent landscape. A former starter, Dunn found consistency in the bullpen and reached the Majors in '09 for the first time in his career. The southpaw still needs to work on his control, though, after posting a walk rate of 5.40 (53.1 IP) at double-A, 6.30 BB/9 (20.0 IP) at triple-A, and by allowing five walks in four MLB innings. Aside from his small-sample size in the Majors, Dunn has done a nice job of keeping the ball in the park (0.51 HR/9 in double-A). If he can improve his control and induce even a few more ground-ball (his GB rate sits around 40%) then Dunn's stuff is good enough to work late in games.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #14: December 23, 2009, 09:33:22 PM »
Dunn's a converted outfielder who couldn't hit well enough as an outfielder, so he's still learning to pitch.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #15: December 24, 2009, 10:37:27 AM »
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Dunn's a converted outfielder who couldn't hit well enough as an outfielder.

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #16: December 31, 2009, 01:42:29 PM »
He's already proven he can't pitch in NY.  Not sure why they'd try it again

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #17: December 31, 2009, 01:50:03 PM »
He's already proven he can't pitch in NY.  Not sure why they'd try it again
Meh, I think he'll do a lot better when he's not asked to lead the roation like he was in '04. 

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Re: Javier Vazquez to Yankees?
« Reply #18: December 31, 2009, 05:36:35 PM »
He's already proven he can't pitch in NY.  Not sure why they'd try it again

I wouldn't say one mediocre year proves he can't pitch in NY.  I guess for some people it may make a difference (John Rocker, for one) but for most I doubt there's a ton of difference.