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DH Dead?
« Topic Start: December 16, 2009, 11:58:11 AM »
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Commissioner sets up non-binding rules' committee
Phil Rogers On Baseball
December 16, 2009


Is the designated hitter rule finally on its way out with Major League Baseball?

To be fair, it's premature to ask such a potentially provocative question. But thanks to Commissioner Bud Selig's decision to turn recommendations for on-field matters over to a newly created version of the NFL's Competition Committee, the DH rule could face its first real threat since the American League accepted it permanently for the 1976 season, after a three-year experiment that began as a way to create run scoring and increase attendance.

Nothing in baseball during the modern era has sparked stronger feelings than the DH rule. The AL has used it for 37 seasons, but the National League never has considered it strongly.

Selig's 14-member committee to consider all on-field issues, which was announced on Tuesday, will not have formal authority. It includes four current managers, four current or former general managers and four ownership representatives, along with MLB official Frank Robinson and journalist/baseball fan George Will.

Selig said he will "be guided by what this committee comes up with" on matters including "scheduling, postseason format, umpiring, pace of play and instant replay." The commissioner did not mention the DH rule, but Cardinals manager Tony La Russa and longtime Braves executive John Schuerholz, who joined Selig on a conference call, both listed it as the one thing they potentially would change if they could.

Schuerholz did not say he would be in favor of eliminating the rule.

"When I was in the American League, I was in favor of the designated hitter," said Schuerholz, whose teams won World Series in Kansas City and Atlanta. "In the National, I've maybe taken another position. Our game has proved it can succeed and flourish with the different approaches in the different leagues."

La Russa said he would be in favor of eliminating the DH, except for the All-Star Game.

"I think the game is more complete without the DH," he said.

La Russa, like the other three managers on the committee ( Joe Torre, Jim Leyland and Mike Scioscia) has seen the DH rule play a major role in World Series play involving his teams. It is used in the AL park and not the NL, creating two different styles of games in determining championships.

Forced to build deeper rosters because of the DH rule, the AL has had an upper hand against the NL in recent years -- a trend borne out in results from the All-Star Game, the World Series and in interleague play. AL teams have been bigger spenders than their NL counterparts.

Like many matters that the new committee may consider, including expanding the role of instant replay, a change in the DH rule would require approval of the players' union. Owners never have gone to the union to consider a change in the rules but could do that in the round of talks expected to begin in early 2011.

In addition to Schuerholz, Robinson, Will and the four managers, the committee includes Andy MacPhail, Mark Shapiro, Terry Ryan, Paul Beeston, Chuck Armstrong, Bill DeWitt and Dave Montgomery.

Selig said the first meeting will be in January in Phoenix.

La Russa spoke for his fellow managers, saying they were pleased to be included in the process. He said he had no reluctance finding time to participate.

"It's a matter of priorities," he said. "What bigger priority is there than what benefits the game?"

Selig cited "the pace" of the game as one concern he hopes the committee will address. Replay is a hot-button topic with fans and the media, but executives and managers appear split about the wisdom of expanding it beyond its current use, which is only to review home run calls.

Selig denied the committee was formed in response to media pressure on that issue.

"I have been looking at this for a long time," Selig said. "This is not a reaction to some of the things that happened during the playoffs. I'm not saying that didn't keep me moving forward, because it did, but I've had this in my mind for a long time. ... I am really looking forward to this group doing some things that are really meaningful. Maybe in a year or two we'll look back and see how significant this really was."

Future generations of one-dimensional players should quiver.
MLB sets up system that could ban DH -- chicagotribune.com

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Re: DH Dead?
« Reply #1: December 16, 2009, 12:10:31 PM »
George Will is not a journalist. He's an opinionist. Sheesh.

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Re: DH Dead?
« Reply #2: December 16, 2009, 12:23:32 PM »
Keep it. It's what makes the leagues different.

Plus, I'm sure the players union would have a fit over all of the players that lost jobs because they could only DH.

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« Reply #3: December 16, 2009, 12:29:15 PM »
They'll never get rid of the DH.  If they move on the DH, it'll be to add it to the NL.  I've always thought it was silly to have it the two leagues different like that.  Pick one, use it in both leagues. 

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« Reply #4: December 16, 2009, 12:30:07 PM »
Keep it. It's what makes the leagues different.

Plus, I'm sure the players union would have a fit over all of the players that lost jobs because they could only DH.
There wouldn't be any lost jobs.  The loss of DH's would create positions for either another position player or pitcher.  The roster numbers wouldn't change.

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« Reply #5: December 16, 2009, 12:31:08 PM »
Well, when you lose David Ortiz, Hideki Matsui and others... I'm sure someone will be complaining.

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« Reply #6: December 16, 2009, 12:32:36 PM »
Of course there will be complaining, I'm not saying some won't lose their jobs, but the numbers will stay the same, so there will be no net loss.  I don't think it's unfair for someone who wants to hit to also ask them to be able to use a glove too.

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« Reply #7: December 16, 2009, 12:35:07 PM »
I guess. I just don't want the game deprived of some of its best hitters, i.e. Edgar Martinez.

Dude was a beast. I would have hated to never got the chance to see the man play.

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« Reply #8: December 16, 2009, 12:36:06 PM »
There wouldn't be any lost jobs.  The loss of DH's would create positions for either another position player or pitcher.  The roster numbers wouldn't change.

There was discussion this morning about this. Obviously, the union doesn't want to lose the DH because it isn't just losing a job, it is losing a job for high-profile, highly-paid players. The suggested concession was to expand the roster a couple of spots to allow for an extra pitcher or two, or subs given that taking the DH away makes it even more desireable to have a 26th or 27th spot. But I don't think that will fly. While the thought is that the union would be swayed by the additional job or two, they are likely to protect the higher-paid positions.

But even beyond the union, the DH produces more offense which makes more money for the owners. So I don't see it happening. I don't like he DH, but at this point, would prefer uniformity.

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« Reply #9: December 16, 2009, 12:36:54 PM »
Meh, I just want to see them pick one and apply it uniformily. 

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« Reply #10: December 16, 2009, 12:40:25 PM »
George Will is not a journalist. He's an opinionist. Sheesh.

In all of that article, that's what struck you the most?  For freak's sake this is baseball, not politics.

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« Reply #11: December 16, 2009, 12:41:50 PM »
They'll never get rid of the DH.  If they move on the DH, it'll be to add it to the NL.  I've always thought it was silly to have it the two leagues different like that.  Pick one, use it in both leagues. 

I disagree.  I actually like the fact it's different in both leagues.  These are independently operating LEAGUES not one whole league separated by conferences.  I like the DH just the way it is - this way fans have a choice which brand they like better.

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Re: DH Dead?
« Reply #12: December 16, 2009, 12:43:41 PM »
I disagree.  I actually like the fact it's different in both leagues.  These are independently operating LEAGUES not one whole league separated by conferences.  I like the DH just the way it is - this way fans have a choice which brand they like better.

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« Reply #13: December 16, 2009, 12:45:20 PM »
+1

I would also scrap interleague play if given my druthers...

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« Reply #14: December 16, 2009, 12:47:23 PM »
I would also scrap interleague play if given my druthers...

Eh.  I can see the appeal but it doesn't particularly bother me, either.

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« Reply #15: December 16, 2009, 12:49:54 PM »
Stan Kasten loves interleague play.

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« Reply #16: December 16, 2009, 12:50:32 PM »
Eh.  I can see the appeal but it doesn't particularly bother me, either.

I just think it oversaturates the market with meaningless series.  You get more value out of a World Series between Seattle and Florida (as an example) if the teams have never played each other before in some meaningless mid-season series.  For every Cubs-White Sox interleague series there's a slew of Rockies-Rays type series.

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« Reply #17: December 16, 2009, 12:51:15 PM »
Stan Kasten loves interleague play.

Of course.  It's usually east v. east and so we'll get the Sox or the Yankees pretty much every year.  Plus there's the boon of the Orioles series.

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« Reply #18: December 16, 2009, 12:52:52 PM »
I just think it oversaturates the market with meaningless series.  You get more value out of a World Series between Seattle and Florida (as an example) if the teams have never played each other before in some meaningless mid-season series.  For every Cubs-White Sox interleague series there's a slew of Rockies-Rays type series.

They aren't meaningless if they count in the W/L column, but I see your point.

I'd be okay with killing off IL play if they kept the annual regional series - either 3 games in each city each year, or 3 per year and alternate the city.

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« Reply #19: December 16, 2009, 12:56:39 PM »
Of course.  It's usually east v. east and so we'll get the Sox or the Yankees pretty much every year.  Plus there's the boon of the Orioles series.
Except we're getting the central this year.  I was excited when I saw the Royals on there...but they're in DC, so that does nothing for me.
I disagree.  I actually like the fact it's different in both leagues.  These are independently operating LEAGUES not one whole league separated by conferences.  I like the DH just the way it is - this way fans have a choice which brand they like better.
It just has always seemed odd to me they'd run things like that.

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« Reply #20: December 16, 2009, 01:00:46 PM »
Except we're getting the central this year.  I was excited when I saw the Royals on there...but they're in DC, so that does nothing for me.It just has always seemed odd to me they'd run things like that.

Minty's being facetious.

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« Reply #21: December 16, 2009, 01:04:16 PM »
Minty's being facetious.
I'm still disappointed they play the Royals in DC....

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Re: DH Dead?
« Reply #22: December 16, 2009, 01:16:40 PM »
I disagree.  I actually like the fact it's different in both leagues.  These are independently operating LEAGUES not one whole league separated by conferences.  I like the DH just the way it is - this way fans have a choice which brand they like better.

couldn't agree more, I think it makes the game more watchable when you have different styles played. Next thing people will want standard dimmensions in outfields and foul territory

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« Reply #23: December 16, 2009, 01:22:57 PM »
Kill the DH.  Kill it now.  Make AL pitchers run the bases, and if they can't get rid of them and get some who can.  Make those broken down old warhorses like Matsui and Ortiz get out in the field, and if they can't get rid of them for athletic, all-around players.  Stop the charade of covering up for them.

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Re: DH Dead?
« Reply #24: December 16, 2009, 01:56:58 PM »
In all of that article, that's what struck you the most?  For freak's sake this is baseball, not politics.

Just because that's what I posted doesn't mean that's what i took from the article. Double sheesh.

I loved George Will until he said that blue jeans are destroying America.

I would have said the same thing about Boswell. Not a journalist.