Right, I recall now, got Lackey and Halladay confused. Ladson quoted Rizzo as saying "Matt Holliday or Jon Garland", but I assumed Rizzo said Roy Halladay rather than Matt Holliday (and that Ladson screwed that up) because at least he would have been talking about two pitchers, but even then, talking about those two in the same sentence - well, I just figured, this is Ladson talking so it doesn't really mean anything.