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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #75: November 16, 2009, 07:33:33 PM »
RE: Willingham - there's a lot of drool about him as a plan B in Boston if they cannot get Bay or Holliday.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #76: November 16, 2009, 07:57:56 PM »
RE: Willingham - there's a lot of drool about him as a plan B in Boston if they cannot get Bay or Holliday.

Better not be like the yahoos who thought the Yankees could have snagged Strasburg if the Nats didn't sign him. They have to make a trade, and the Nats have to agree . . .  He won't come cheap.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #77: November 16, 2009, 08:36:19 PM »
Manny Acta hired Tim Tolman to be the Indians' bench coach.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #78: November 16, 2009, 08:38:52 PM »
http://www.wnff.net/index.php/topic,12611.msg489216.html#msg489216

I can't wait to see how crappy the Indians are this year.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #79: November 16, 2009, 09:03:49 PM »
Manny Acta hired Tim Tolman to be the Indians' bench coach.

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Boy, you were a terrible third base coach - I bet you'll be even worse at bench coaching. Wait a minute . . .

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #80: November 16, 2009, 09:28:26 PM »
Nats showing interest in Wagner?

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Eight clubs have expressed interest in free agent closer Billy Wagner, according to his agent Bean Stringfellow (Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reporting).  Stringfellow generously named five of the suitors: the Red Sox, Braves, Nationals, Astros, and Orioles.  The agent says Wagner's Type A status hasn't scared teams off, and that of these five only the Red Sox spoke about a non-closing role.  Stringfellow expects multiyear offers, though Wagner turns 39 in July.

The FOX authors speculate on possibilities for the remaining three teams by mentioning the Tigers, Cubs, Mariners, Rangers, White Sox, Rays and Marlins.

Washington's interest in Wagner and Mike Gonzalez makes you wonder if they'll tender a contract to their current closer, Mike MacDougal.  MacDougal is due a raise on this year's $2.65MM salary.  Perhaps they just like him more for a setup role.

Certainly nothing will happen with Wagner until after December 1st, when we learn definitively whether the Red Sox will offer arbitration.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #81: November 16, 2009, 09:30:52 PM »
keep MacDougal. who gives a freak what he makes? sign other relievers too. we need big help in the bullpen.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #82: November 16, 2009, 09:36:01 PM »
bean stringfellow :rofl: :lmao:

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #83: November 17, 2009, 01:35:19 PM »
Better not be like the yahoos who thought the Yankees could have snagged Strasburg if the Nats didn't sign him. They have to make a trade, and the Nats have to agree . . .  He won't come cheap.
Nats showing interest in Wagner?


Stringfellow is trying to bluff the Red Sox out of offering arbitration to Wagner but Epstein is saying that they may do so.  Another angle on Wagner -Arbitration could be viable option
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If Billy Wagner is willing to work as a setup man for Jonathan Papelbon, the Red Sox aren’t averse to the idea of the veteran lefthander accepting salary arbitration.

As for what the Red Sox would offer for Willingham - I have not seen any speculation about what is fair value and what they would have to offer.  Look at posts starting on page 5, around #87, in this thread. http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=49884&st=80&start=80  It's fan talk, but note that Van is on the Red Sox payroll. He's pretty high on JW, and there really is no one arguing too much that the evaluation is wrong.

We (the Nats) should not deal him unless we get blown away by the offer because he is a terrific #5 hitter in our order.  If I were to speculate, I'd ask for one of Reddick or Kalish (both rated 4-star by BP, equivalent to a ##50 -100 prospect in all the minors), plus something else. They are a little thin on position prospects above high A.  There may be a buy cheap opportunity on Michael Bowden.
 


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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #84: November 17, 2009, 02:01:34 PM »
Stringfellow is trying to bluff the Red Sox out of offering arbitration to Wagner but Epstein is saying that they may do so.  Another angle on Wagner -Arbitration could be viable option
As for what the Red Sox would offer for Willingham - I have not seen any speculation about what is fair value and what they would have to offer.  Look at posts starting on page 5, around #87, in this thread. http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=49884&st=80&start=80  It's fan talk, but note that Van is on the Red Sox payroll. He's pretty high on JW, and there really is no one arguing too much that the evaluation is wrong.

We (the Nats) should not deal him unless we get blown away by the offer because he is a terrific #5 hitter in our order.  If I were to speculate, I'd ask for one of Reddick or Kalish (both rated 4-star by BP, equivalent to a ##50 -100 prospect in all the minors), plus something else. They are a little thin on position prospects above high A.  There may be a buy cheap opportunity on Michael Bowden.
 




How soon after arbitration is accepted can a player be traded? FA contracts have a time protection of like 60 days? I wonder if they would do Willingham for Wagner with Boston paying for Wagner . . .

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #85: November 17, 2009, 03:57:46 PM »
bean stringfellow :rofl: :lmao:
That sounds like one of NOTLD's/PANats's joke names for Ladson. :lol:

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #86: November 17, 2009, 04:02:53 PM »

How soon after arbitration is accepted can a player be traded? FA contracts have a time protection of like 60 days? I wonder if they would do Willingham for Wagner with Boston paying for Wagner . . .

Interesting idea.  The Nats can avoid giving up the second rounder that way.  I am not sure who would pay what.  I don't see the Nats getting salary relief on Willingham, Wagner for no cost, and the Red Sox losing out on the comp pick as an inducement to trade (sell) Willingham.  Perhaps agreeing to pick up the difference between the arbitration awards.  Nats effectively get their reliever and keep the #2 pick in exchange for Willingham. I'd still like a prospect back for the Nats, too.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #87: November 17, 2009, 08:52:27 PM »
I'd rather have Willingham than Wagner by a ton. He's gonna crash next year.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #88: November 17, 2009, 09:58:02 PM »
I'd rather have Willingham than Wagner by a ton. He's gonna crash next year.

I don't agree about him crashing, but I don't see how you give up a pretty good outfielder who team controlled for the next two seasons for a closer who you will have one year when you are not a contender.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #89: November 17, 2009, 10:05:30 PM »
I don't agree about him crashing, but I don't see how you give up a pretty good outfielder who team controlled for the next two seasons for a closer who you will have one year when you are not a contender.

Just idle speculation on my part, didn't advocate it. Willingham might be part of a mild surplus, but yeah, the compensation picks plus a year of Wagner, not sure I like it.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #90: November 18, 2009, 01:48:08 PM »
From the St. Louis paper

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Free agency is not the only option available as Mozeliak concedes the club may also pursue trade options. The Cardinals heavily scouted the Washington Nationals before last July's trade deadline and retain interest in outfielders Adam Dunn and Josh Willingham. Dunn, who has averaged 41 home runs and 101 RBIs the last six seasons, is entering the final season of a two-year deal that pays him $12 million in 2010.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #91: November 18, 2009, 02:13:21 PM »
Dunn for Wainwright

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #92: November 18, 2009, 02:24:49 PM »
DunnWillingham for Wainwright

Fixed.  Though we'd have to get Mozeliak stoned first.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #93: November 18, 2009, 08:48:40 PM »
Fixed.  Though we'd have to get Mozeliak stoned first.

OK. who is up for the challenge?

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #94: November 18, 2009, 09:29:22 PM »
Wow, it's nice to hear we were "heavily scouted"

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #95: November 19, 2009, 12:36:47 AM »
Wow, it's nice to hear we were "heavily scouted"

the scouts just walked to relax after scouting other, better major league teams

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #96: November 30, 2009, 02:26:07 PM »
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The Pirates signed lefty Wil Ledezma to a minor league deal, according to a team press release.  Ledezma, 29 in January, bounced around in the Nationals and Blue Jays organizations this year.  He compiled a 3.49 ERA in 38.6 innings at three minor league stops, whiffing over a batter per inning but walking 4.2 per nine innings.

MLBTR.

wtf are the nats doing? while other teams are stocking up and making shrewd moves we haven't heard a peep from the nats all off-season.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #97: November 30, 2009, 02:33:30 PM »
MLBTR.

wtf are the nats doing? while other teams are stocking up and making shrewd moves we haven't heard a peep from the nats all off-season.

Wil Ledezma is your idea of a shrewd move?

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #98: November 30, 2009, 02:34:59 PM »
He sure didn't show it last season.

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Re: 2009 Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #99: November 30, 2009, 02:52:56 PM »
No, I was talking in general. Should have made that 2 different posts.

Winter meetings are next week. What is Riz waiting for?