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Offline NatsDad14

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Re: AFL Thread
« Reply #175: October 21, 2009, 12:13:16 PM »
His OBP is somewhat close to a lot of those guys, but his power is nowhere near those guys at this point which is a concern to me.

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« Reply #176: October 21, 2009, 09:14:07 PM »
To put Marrero into perspective, here's a comparison of seasons with the player's age in parentheses:

Chris Marrero, high-A (20): .287/.360/.464
Adrian Gonzalez, high-A (19): .312/.382/.486
Prince Fielder, A (19): .313/.409/.526
Derrek Lee, high-A (19): .301/.366/.496
Adam Dunn, A (19): .307/.409/.476
Lance Berkman, high-A (21, season after college): .293/.417/.543
Albert Pujols, A (20): .324/.389/.565
Nick Johnson, high-A (19): .317/.466/.538

I think you start to see my point - Marrero is not as productive a hitter as most star 1Bs were at a similar age. However, that doesn't mean he won't get better (some guys progress later than others) and it doesn't mean he can't be a guy who starts a few seasons in the majors. It just means that he doesn't look like the kind of guy you put at first base for a winning franchise and forget about for 10 years. He looks more like James Loney (.284/.357/.419 at age 21 in double-A) and guys like James Loney often start in the majors for a while, but don't turn into stars.

Marrero did miss almost a whole season due to injury.

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Re: AFL Thread
« Reply #177: October 21, 2009, 10:01:16 PM »
His OBP is somewhat close to a lot of those guys, but his power is nowhere near those guys at this point which is a concern to me.
Huh?  His ISO power is about the same as that of Adrian Gonzalez at high A.

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« Reply #178: October 22, 2009, 09:24:00 AM »
He missed what whole year due to injury - the year where he played over half a season?

Adrian Gonzalez is actually a perfect comp for Marrero lovers. The following things are similarities: both were/are bring promoted at a steady rate so they are always young for the level, and as a result put up decent but not great stats while flashing higher ceilings.  Both have decent but not great contact skills, both have plus power. At at young age, both walked about the same rate (10% of PA).
 

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« Reply #179: October 22, 2009, 11:06:00 AM »
He missed what whole year due to injury - the year where he played over half a season?

 

I couldn't remember how much time he actually missed, I think you're right though, he got hurt in like July.

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« Reply #180: October 22, 2009, 11:25:09 AM »
Tonight: Stephen Strasburg vs. Dustin Ackley

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Re: AFL Thread
« Reply #181: October 22, 2009, 01:13:27 PM »
He missed what whole year due to injury - the year where he played over half a season?

Adrian Gonzalez is actually a perfect comp for Marrero lovers. The following things are similarities: both were/are bring promoted at a steady rate so they are always young for the level, and as a result put up decent but not great stats while flashing higher ceilings.  Both have decent but not great contact skills, both have plus power. At at young age, both walked about the same rate (10% of PA).
 
I hate using comps, good or bad.  Gary Sheffield and Rondell White (or was it Devon?) were top comps for Lastings Milledge at one point and he certainly didn't live up to that promise.

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« Reply #182: October 22, 2009, 01:48:33 PM »
Strasburg is starting today at 3:35. There is going to be Pitch F/X data for this outing.

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« Reply #183: October 22, 2009, 03:47:45 PM »
Comps can be good or bad depending on how you use them, like everything else. I can understand why you'd hate the "best of all possible worlds" comps that often get thrown out, like comparing Jason Heyward to Daryl Strawberry just because they're both lanky black outfielders, or Lastings Milledge to Gary Sheffield just because they both have quick wrists.

But I personally feel comps based on performance at the same age and level can be very useful as a way to kind of bookend the possible progression paths a prospect could take, whether negative or positive.

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« Reply #184: October 22, 2009, 04:02:27 PM »
Strasburg allows back to back HR to LF

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« Reply #185: October 22, 2009, 04:10:18 PM »
Strasburg allows back to back HR to LF

well now, SF's gonna come in here and do 1 of 2 things"

1) Declare Strasburg a bust and a complete disaster of a horrible draft pick and claim he'll never amount to anything ever in his career based on these two HRs alone..

2)Claim it was "bad luck" for Strasburg and those two guys "ran into one."

place your bets on which it'll be.

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« Reply #186: October 22, 2009, 04:11:01 PM »
:funny: :crackup:

My money's on a toned-down version of #1

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« Reply #187: October 22, 2009, 04:11:37 PM »
2)Claim it was "bad luck" for Strasburg and those two guys "ran into one."
Not a chance.  Nieves and Bard aren't on the AFL roster.

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« Reply #188: October 22, 2009, 04:41:35 PM »
well now, SF's gonna come in here and do 1 of 2 things"

1) Declare Strasburg a bust and a complete disaster of a horrible draft pick and claim he'll never amount to anything ever in his career based on these two HRs alone..

2)Claim it was "bad luck" for Strasburg and those two guys "ran into one."

place your bets on which it'll be.

hahahaha, wow you have him pegged.

i'm not worried.  again you have to stay medium with the results ... it's just good to see him healthy and pitching. 

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Re: AFL Thread
« Reply #189: October 22, 2009, 04:47:16 PM »
Wow, he is getting lit up tonight though.

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« Reply #190: October 22, 2009, 04:48:18 PM »
That's gonna happen on occasion.

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« Reply #191: October 22, 2009, 04:48:45 PM »
2.2 IP, 7 H, 8 R (7 ER), 4 K, 1 BB, 3 HR

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Re: AFL Thread
« Reply #192: October 22, 2009, 04:49:50 PM »
Wow. :shock:

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« Reply #193: October 22, 2009, 04:50:55 PM »
2.2 IP, 7 H, 8 R (7 ER), 4 K, 1 BB, 3 HR

Wow.

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« Reply #194: October 22, 2009, 04:59:30 PM »
Love that K/BB ratio!  

(I've been watching the Python documentary and am about to break into "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life")

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« Reply #195: October 22, 2009, 05:23:22 PM »
:lol: aw well, looks like a nats outing.

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« Reply #196: October 22, 2009, 05:25:02 PM »
Why would he do well? It's the Nats, remember.

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Re: AFL Thread
« Reply #197: October 22, 2009, 05:30:28 PM »
ok, nothing to see here, move along.....

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« Reply #198: October 22, 2009, 06:00:28 PM »
WTF happened?

He'll be okay but the notion that he is ready for the Majors is wrong.

Hanson hardly gave up a run last year in the AFL.

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Re: AFL Thread
« Reply #199: October 22, 2009, 06:11:56 PM »
welcome to Pro Baseball kid.

this is where that 99mph fastball won't bail you out. you need to learn how to pitch now.