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Offline Coladar

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #325: September 11, 2009, 10:16:34 PM »
Three wins in five games and all five of them nearly fell apart in the ninth inning. This team can't give it's fans a break, can it? A victory is a victory, and however we get them we'll take what we get. That said, we need someone else in the closer position now instead of next year. MacDougal is not, nor has he ever been a major league closer, and this past week is proof of that. Take a long lost season to try out potential closers instead of ruining next season with another Hanrahan nightmare when we're still mathematically (if not in reality) in it for the first month.

Offline hleeo3

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #326: September 11, 2009, 10:17:11 PM »
Three wins in five games and all five of them nearly fell apart in the ninth inning. This team can't give it's fans a break, can it? A victory is a victory, and however we get them we'll take what we get. That said, we need someone else in the closer position now instead of next year. MacDougal is not, nor has he ever been a major league closer, and this past week is proof of that. Take a long lost season to try out potential closers instead of ruining next season with another Hanrahan nightmare when we're still mathematically (if not in reality) in it for the first month.

Storen?

Offline UMDNats

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #327: September 11, 2009, 10:17:25 PM »
"How does it feel to win a ball game?"

"Do you like winning?"

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #328: September 11, 2009, 10:17:58 PM »
"What is your mindset?"

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #329: September 11, 2009, 10:18:03 PM »
Congrats to JD. Evens his record at 4-4 and lowers his ERA to 4.29.


Offline mitlen

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #330: September 11, 2009, 10:19:57 PM »
Oh Jesus, look at Dib's shirt  !!!!!

Offline Coladar

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #331: September 11, 2009, 10:22:41 PM »
Storen?

I think we saw with Zimmermann/Stammen/Balester/etc what happens rushing pitching. Storen needs to be held off 'till 2011, and I've yet to hear any serious talk about him beginning '10 in DC. So that still leaves us with either a closer who will doom whatever chance we have of competing next season or playing musical chairs with the closer and still not competing, if we don't take advantage of the last three weeks and pray for a miracle in finding a one year stop gap.

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #332: September 11, 2009, 10:36:03 PM »
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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #333: September 11, 2009, 10:39:34 PM »
Congrats to JD. Evens his record at 4-4 and lowers his ERA to 4.29.

:doh:


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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #335: September 12, 2009, 08:52:12 AM »
I think we saw with Zimmermann/Stammen/Balester/etc what happens rushing pitching. Storen needs to be held off 'till 2011, and I've yet to hear any serious talk about him beginning '10 in DC. So that still leaves us with either a closer who will doom whatever chance we have of competing next season or playing musical chairs with the closer and still not competing, if we don't take advantage of the last three weeks and pray for a miracle in finding a one year stop gap.

Storen, like many of our prospects, has potential, but is completely unproven, not to mention untested over an extended period of pro ball. There is always a chance that a player can rise rapidly through a system. RZ is an exception to the rule, and essentially, developed as a batter at the major-league level.

This organization needs to stop thinking of acquiring one or two-year stop gaps under the misguided assumption that they have a future star waiting in the minor league system. The Nats minor league ranks have been completely underfunded and underdeveloped given that this was supposed to the be the main focus. There has been some periodic injection of young talent, but it is not anything that should be assumed to bear fruit. Sure, you can see something serviceable come out of it, but that doesn't mean it will provide the quality needed.

The farm continues to need more attention for the long haul if there is any hope that it will produce valuable players. But until this team starts acquiring legitimate big-league talent one way or another, they will continue to flounder. There is just far too much reliance on mediocrity, projects, retreads, and unproven rookies with lower ceilings.

Kasten is a bullcrap artist. He continues to claim that we are seeing the results of the draft investments they made since they came in. That is really not true. Most the young pitchers we have seen this year were in the system before the Lerners came in, and much of it was never really the highly touted ones. The most notable of the bunch he was referring to was Jordan Zimmermann, who was indeed drafted with a Soriano pick. He's promising, but now he is out until 2011.

This team is desparate for pitching, and needs to do what real baseball teams do for a change. This is not about being cheap or not. It is about running a legitimate baseball franchise that actually desires to do better than put a AAAA disgrace on the field that has little chance of being anything better than historically bad. They just don't demonstrate any desire to win. 

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #336: September 12, 2009, 09:45:40 AM »
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Yes, exactly, WTF.  There's no reason to explain your own absurdities to you though.  Martin is clearly auditioning for a spot on your mancrush roster, so trying to talk to you about him is pointless.

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #337: September 12, 2009, 11:09:11 AM »
J.D. had a pretty decent outing.  He needs to be more economical, though.  Keeps getting pulled too early because he drives his pitch count up too high.

Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #338: September 12, 2009, 11:55:35 AM »
J.D. had a pretty decent outing.  He needs to be more economical, though.  Keeps getting pulled too early because he drives his pitch count up too high.

It's weird, though, because he's not a strikeout pitcher and doesn't walk anyone, so how could he really work on it?

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #339: September 12, 2009, 12:09:12 PM »
It's weird, though, because he's not a strikeout pitcher and doesn't walk anyone, so how could he really work on it?
He nibbles too much since he is essentially a 2 pitch pitcher.

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #340: September 12, 2009, 12:45:04 PM »
It's weird, though, because he's not a strikeout pitcher and doesn't walk anyone, so how could he really work on it?
Well, he issued 4 walks in 5 innings last night, but he usually just seems to (as SF said) nibble and drive up the count before pitching to contact.

Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals @ Marlins, Game 1
« Reply #341: September 12, 2009, 12:49:12 PM »
Well, he issued 4 walks in 5 innings last night, but he usually just seems to (as SF said) nibble and drive up the count before pitching to contact.

His walk numbers are still low - but he should talk to Lannan about conserving pitches.