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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #25: August 26, 2009, 05:20:37 PM »

As defined by? There is no statistical data that suggest that Nieves is a superior catcher than Bard.

Oh, you stats geeks are all the same.   :roll:   Don't you trust your own eyes? 

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #26: August 26, 2009, 05:24:35 PM »
Wow those arm angles are nearly identical :shock:

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #27: August 26, 2009, 05:26:35 PM »
Riggleman must really hate Mike Morse.

I know, right?

he should have gone on the DL months ago.



so you can nag about him being soft and not willing to play hurt? :?

you watch the games don't you? you'd seriously rather have Bard over Nieves as a back-up catcher?

:rofl:

Bard = Nieves.  They are two halves of a whole. Bard is the Bat, Nieves is the glove. personally I'd rather have neither. I'd rather have someone better than both of them.

You act like Nieves is God's Gift to Catching and Bard is the devil incarnate.  but then again that's just par for the course for you and your boyfriends.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #28: August 26, 2009, 05:28:52 PM »
Bard = Nieves.  They are two halves of a whole. Bard is the Bat, Nieves is the glove. personally I'd rather have neither. I'd rather have someone better than both of them.

You act like Nieves is God's Gift to Catching and Bard is the devil incarnate.  but then again that's just par for the course for you and your boyfriends.

this.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #29: August 26, 2009, 05:35:59 PM »
Bard = Nieves.  They are two halves of a whole. Bard is the Bat, Nieves is the glove. personally I'd rather have neither. I'd rather have someone better than both of them.

A couple of advanced stats from BP:
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              Average             Rate*
Bard        .231                   83
Nieves     .226                  104

* 100 = average defensive catcher. 

So slight edge offensively to Bard, but large advantage to Nieves for defense.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #30: August 26, 2009, 05:42:13 PM »
A couple of advanced stats from BP:
              Equivalent     
              Average             Rate*
Bard        .231                   83
Nieves     .226                  104

* 100 = average defensive catcher. 

So slight edge offensively to Bard, but large advantage to Nieves for defense.

Catcher ERA:
Bard: 4.90
Nieves: 5.18

You also have to remember that Nieves catches Lannan most of the time so he gets a slight advantage for that.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #31: August 26, 2009, 05:45:56 PM »
Catcher ERA:
Bard: 4.90
Nieves: 5.18

You also have to remember that Nieves catches Lannan most of the time so he gets a slight advantage for that.

Catchers don't pitch, however.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #32: August 26, 2009, 05:47:58 PM »
Catchers don't pitch, however.

Good insight   :thumbs:

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #33: August 26, 2009, 05:48:44 PM »
Nieves is a better hitter and that's not even close either.

Bard had one hot month.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #34: August 26, 2009, 05:51:31 PM »
Nieves is a better hitter and that's not even close either.



:rofl:

ok SF, Nieves is God. we get it.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #35: August 26, 2009, 06:01:41 PM »
Alright, I gotta go.  Someone's gonna have to post the Cubs lineup when it's delivered.  I won't be back, in all likelyhood before the game ends, unless it goes into extras.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #36: August 26, 2009, 06:12:20 PM »
Nieves is a better hitter and that's not even close either.

Bard had one hot month.

 :funny:

we wouldn't even be in this situation if flores could stay healthy.  then instead of rotating two AAAA catchers we rely on one to start and the other to be the backup.  not good.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #37: August 26, 2009, 06:13:22 PM »
Wow Livan has the W arm action that causes a pitcher to blow out his elbow. Go figure

Yeah, I noticed that.  Luckily it is not a guarantee that it will blow out the elbow, just that it increases the risk of it happening.  Livian also has that huge frame working in his favor.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #38: August 26, 2009, 06:18:33 PM »
Wow Livan has the W arm action that causes a pitcher to blow out his elbow. Go figure

Nice.  :clap:

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #39: August 26, 2009, 06:24:54 PM »
Nieves is a better hitter and that's not even close either.

Bard had one hot month.





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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #40: August 26, 2009, 06:35:27 PM »
Nice.  :clap:

The chick in your avatar has the W action that caused me to blow out my elbow :az:

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #41: August 26, 2009, 06:46:04 PM »
The chick in your avatar has the W action that caused me to blow out my elbow :az:
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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #42: August 26, 2009, 06:47:54 PM »
The chick in your avatar has the W action that caused me to blow out my elbow :az:




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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #43: August 26, 2009, 07:20:56 PM »
Can't wait to see Livo pitch.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #44: August 26, 2009, 07:35:11 PM »
Oh, you stats geeks are all the same.   :roll:   Don't you trust your own eyes? 

 :lol:

Your lyin' eyes (LOL).

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #45: August 26, 2009, 07:50:24 PM »
Top 5 in the order career numbers vs Harden:
Harris 0/8 2 Ks
Guzman 0/8 K
Zimmerman 0/6 5 Ks
Dunn 0/5 4 Ks
Willingham 0/3 K
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0/32 (.000) with 13 Ks


this is going to be brutal :?

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #46: August 26, 2009, 07:56:27 PM »
I predict that Livan goes 4 1/3 in this start and gets battered.

then his next start he will go 7 2/3 and give up less than 3 runs.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #47: August 26, 2009, 07:59:26 PM »
I predict that Livan goes 4 1/3 in this start and gets battered.

then his next start he will go 7 2/3 and give up less than 3 runs.
haha. because he will face an offense worse than most AAA lineups in the Padres.

the Cubs should really pwn him tonight. balls should be flying out of the park.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #48: August 26, 2009, 08:07:10 PM »
Didn't realize that Hernandez was signed the first day he was eligible.

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Re: Nationals @ Cubs, Game 2
« Reply #49: August 26, 2009, 08:09:32 PM »
Willie should be stealing.