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Offline dirtynat

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #675: January 14, 2010, 12:29:03 AM »
Beltran is a juicer and is probably 42. 

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #676: January 14, 2010, 12:32:58 AM »
I hate injuries - a) these guys go through a lot of pain and I don't wish it on anyone, b) I want the Nats to be able to beat the best team the Mets will field, and that certainly includes Beltran.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #677: January 14, 2010, 12:35:37 AM »
lmao. We need to take advantage of anything we can get. Beltran going down benefits us. He's a douchebag anyways.

It's going to be tough enough if that pest Reyes is back healthy this year.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #678: January 14, 2010, 02:39:01 AM »
freak the mets and freak beltran :clap:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4824101

lmao. We need to take advantage of anything we can get. Beltran going down benefits us. He's a douchebag anyways.

It's going to be tough enough if that pest Reyes is back healthy this year.

You're a even bigger douchebag for cheering injuries you mental midget.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #679: January 14, 2010, 07:25:34 AM »
Beltran is getting paid $20 Million. You think he gives a freak if he is sitting out April when it's colder, especially in a place like NY?

We have had more than our fair share of injuries over the years so it is only fair if other teams suffer the same.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #680: January 14, 2010, 06:01:31 PM »
Looks like Josh Johnson is going to stay in Florida.

4 years, $39 mil.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #681: January 14, 2010, 06:08:31 PM »
Looks like Josh Johnson is going to stay in Florida.

4 years, $39 mil.


I never thought I say this, but THANK G*D FOR THE MLBPA!

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #682: January 14, 2010, 09:57:24 PM »

I never thought I say this, but THANK G*D FOR THE MLBPA!

Not a Marlins fan, but I'm glad that the era of self-destruction might have ended. 

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #683: January 15, 2010, 02:24:40 PM »
In the Miami Herald's story about the JJ getting a 4-year deal, they used the following picture.  You would have thought they could have found one that didn't show a runner getting on hell of jump on him.



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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #684: January 15, 2010, 02:26:39 PM »
I can't believe he opted to stay in Florida long term. why

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #685: January 15, 2010, 02:30:08 PM »
I can't believe he opted to stay in Florida long term. why

Several reasons come to mind.


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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #686: January 15, 2010, 02:44:55 PM »
I can't believe he opted to stay in Florida long term. why

$39 million guaranteed probably had a lot to do with it.  But even considering the MLBPA, the local sportswriters doubt he'll come close to being in Miami for 4 years.

The contract is very back-loaded, a Beinfest trademark, and he'll be traded before the big salary kicks in, another Beinfest trademark.

2010 - 3.75
2011 - 7.75
2012 - 13.75
2013 - 13.75

No player has ever played more than 2 seasons of a long-term contract under Beinfest/Loria before being traded.  To show the Marlins intent with the back-loading, they offered Nolasco more for 2010 than they did JJ, deferring JJs salary to later years when somebody else will be paying it.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #687: January 15, 2010, 02:53:33 PM »
The Nationals would be happy to take him 12 months from now.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #688: January 15, 2010, 03:24:45 PM »
$39 million guaranteed probably had a lot to do with it.  But even considering the MLBPA, the local sportswriters doubt he'll come close to being in Miami for 4 years.

The contract is very back-loaded, a Beinfest trademark, and he'll be traded before the big salary kicks in, another Beinfest trademark.

2010 - 3.75
2011 - 7.75
2012 - 13.75
2013 - 13.75

No player has ever played more than 2 seasons of a long-term contract under Beinfest/Loria before being traded.  To show the Marlins intent with the back-loading, they offered Nolasco more for 2010 than they did JJ, deferring JJs salary to later years when somebody else will be paying it.


Nice post. Very interesting.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #689: January 15, 2010, 03:51:14 PM »
No player has ever played more than 2 seasons of a long-term contract under Beinfest/Loria before being traded. 

So when is HanRam on the market?

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #690: January 15, 2010, 04:31:48 PM »
So when is HanRam on the market?


El Niño makes less than Guzman this season, so probably next off season.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #691: January 15, 2010, 05:18:50 PM »
So when is HanRam on the market?

His ETA is the 2010 offseason.

The following is the summary of the Hanley and JJ contracts.  Together, in 2011 those two will make more than the entire 2006 payroll, and in 2012 and 2013 they will approximate the payroll of the past few years.


          Hanley    Johnson     Total
2009        5.50                 5.50
2010        7.00      3.75      10.75
2011       11.00      7.75      18.75
2012       15.00     13.75      28.75
2013       15.50     13.75      29.25
2014       16.00                16.00


Loria's other long term contracts (there aren't many):

2004 Lowell, 4 years, traded after 2
2005 Delgado, 4 years, traded after 1
2005 LoDuca, 4 years, traded after 1
2009 Helms, 2 years, 1 down 1 to go

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #692: January 16, 2010, 01:08:49 PM »
Since the Fish still haven't signed off on Josh Johnson's contract (supposedly going to do so on Monday), he covered his bases and showed how much he trusts Loria and Beinfest by filing for arbitration yesterday.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #693: January 16, 2010, 01:12:24 PM »
Ha, good for him.  The word "dysfunctional" comes to mind.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #694: January 16, 2010, 01:21:20 PM »
Loria's other long term contracts (there aren't many):

2004 Lowell, 4 years, traded after 2
2005 Delgado, 4 years, traded after 1
2005 LoDuca, 4 years, traded after 1
2009 Helms, 2 years, 1 down 1 to go

None of those guys were young, though. They were all over 30 when they got those contracts, right? If they do trade Hanley, I don't think it will be before 2012. Maybe before the 2013 season.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #695: January 16, 2010, 03:52:42 PM »
None of those guys were young, though. They were all over 30 when they got those contracts, right? If they do trade Hanley, I don't think it will be before 2012. Maybe before the 2013 season.

They were all 30+.  But most players don't receive their first long-term contract until their upper 20's.  Nevertheless, it was not age/ability that caused them to be traded, but rather salary.  Delgado had a 4-year, $52 million contract, but was so back-loaded that the Fish only paid him $4 million for the year he actually played for the Fish.  The Marlins somehow manage to spend more on the Manatees, their tub-of-lard male dance team, each year than any player has ever received in a single year made under Loria - $10 million (Pudge earned $10 million for the 2003 season, but only $2 million was paid that year and the remaining $8 million deferred over the next 3 years).

Thanks to Beinfest being the the master of the blunder, Hanley this year still will not be the player to receive the highest payroll in any year under Loria.  That would be Mike Hampton, when with the Braves and having never even worn a Marlins jersey, received $9 million to $11 million annually for 4 years.  Hanley is scheduled to tie that next year.

Oh, for the Hampton trade, the Marlins netted Tim Spooneybarger, who pitched a total 42 innings before retiring - he cost the Fish nearly a million bucks and inning, or, in Loria terms, about two seasons of annual payroll over the past 8 years.  Since Beinfest has been Marlins GM, he has annoyed away about 25% of the total payroll on guys not on the team.  Then he compounds it like  last year, pissing away another 25% on morons such as Uggla and Hermida, another 10% for two previous years on a waste like Kevin Gregg.  Even if the Fish have to keep Uggla this year (thanks to Beinfest making ludicrous demands and not dumping him), they will piss away 20% of the MLBPA-expanded payroll on a single piece of crap and pay him $20,000 per LOB.  Andrew "Incoming!" Miller has eaten up about 10% of the payroll over the past two years being paid to make all the fans seated between the dugouts duck every time he winds up.  Whenever he's on the mound, the Marlins promotion should be Andrew Miller Body Armor Night.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #696: January 16, 2010, 07:07:12 PM »
natsaddict - what about hanley?

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #697: January 16, 2010, 07:09:02 PM »
so a quick look at cots tells me he bought out two years of arby and two years of FA. he would have gotten more than 3.75 in arby, more than 7.75 mil next year, and he could have been poised to make 13 mil a year in FA.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #698: January 16, 2010, 07:56:11 PM »
so a quick look at cots tells me he bought out two years of arby and two years of FA. he would have gotten more than 3.75 in arby, more than 7.75 mil next year, and he could have been poised to make 13 mil a year in FA.

He is protected now if he gets injured again, that's probably worth the discount to him

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #699: January 17, 2010, 01:25:34 PM »
He is protected now if he gets injured again, that's probably worth the discount to him

true, were i him i would have preferred something like 12 mil for 2 years.