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Offline Minty Fresh

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Re: the MLB Network thread.
« Reply #300: November 15, 2011, 11:22:42 AM »
Clogging the bases is one of the dumbest arguments of all time.

Yes, who cares if a slow guy gets on base... he's only clogging the bases. It's not like it hurts our chances of winning or anything!

I still think a professional baseball player should be expected to score from first base on a double and go first-to-third on a single to RF; but yes, the "clogging the basepaths" does seem a ridiculous argument.  It's not like stolen bases are a huge part of the game anymore.

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« Reply #301: November 15, 2011, 05:34:16 PM »
Tom Davis just said Justin Verlander had a nine twenty whip percentage.

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« Reply #302: November 15, 2011, 05:37:15 PM »
Tom Davis just said Justin Verlander had a nine twenty whip percentage.

:lmao:

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« Reply #303: November 15, 2011, 05:37:44 PM »
Here is where the stat guys fail. They can take one season in Giambi's prime and qualify that he was walked x amount of times and that resulted in y amount of runs scored. That would put an end to the clog the bases nonsense. But they (stat guys) seem to act as if this criticism isn't prevalent in some sectors of the baseball world. Debunk the myth, don't simply poo-poo it. The ancient Greeks proved the earth was round, yet it wasn't accepted by the main stream until after Magellan's voyage.

Some things are so inherently dumb that all you can do is laugh at them.

Besides, the "clog the basepaths" crap has been debunked already.

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« Reply #304: November 15, 2011, 05:41:52 PM »
Some things are so inherently dumb that all you can do is laugh at them.

Besides, the "clog the basepaths" crap has been debunked already.

Then why didn't Kenney show the study to Reynolds?


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« Reply #305: November 15, 2011, 06:00:07 PM »
Because it's the MLB Network and not CSPAN?

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« Reply #306: November 15, 2011, 06:00:26 PM »
Cause HR would counter with the tired "you didn't play the game" argument that athletes pull when they lose an argument.

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« Reply #307: November 15, 2011, 06:06:25 PM »
Because it's the MLB Network and not CSPAN?

It's a show that promotes the analytic approach to player  valuation. When you have a flat-earther, Kenney owes it to the analytic community to show why that thinking is wrong. Personally I have no idea where this clog the bases nonsense originated. Old assed John McGraw understood the value of OBP.

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« Reply #308: November 15, 2011, 06:28:49 PM »
It's a show that promotes the analytic approach to player  valuation. When you have a flat-earther, Kenney owes it to the analytic community to show why that thinking is wrong. Personally I have no idea where this clog the bases nonsense originated. Old assed John McGraw understood the value of OBP.

Dusty Baker's an adherent of the "clog the bases" school of thought.

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« Reply #309: November 15, 2011, 06:40:46 PM »
Cause HR would counter with the tired "you didn't play the game" argument that athletes pull when they lose an argument.

:rofl: that's rich coming from you.

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« Reply #310: November 15, 2011, 06:41:20 PM »
Dusty Baker's an adherent of the "clog the bases" school of thought.

I'm beginning to think Harold Reynolds is just as bad. They just showed a clip from last year where he said Felix shouldn't win the Cy Young because he lost 12 games.

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« Reply #311: November 15, 2011, 06:42:28 PM »
I'm beginning to think Harold Reynolds is just as bad. They just showed a clip from last year where he said Felix shouldn't win the Cy Young because he lost 12 games.

All those 1-0 and 2-1 losses show a lack of intestinal fortitude.

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« Reply #312: November 15, 2011, 06:46:30 PM »
I'm beginning to think Harold Reynolds is just as bad. They just showed a clip from last year where he said Felix shouldn't win the Cy Young because he lost 12 games.

Ugh. I like Reynolds, too. He was awesome on Diamond Demos.

How sheltered are these guys? Read about what you're supposed to be an expect in. Sheesh.

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« Reply #313: November 15, 2011, 06:53:22 PM »
:rofl: that's rich coming from you.

I can't recall ever saying, I played HS baseball... I know more than you.

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« Reply #314: November 15, 2011, 07:02:24 PM »
I can't recall ever saying, I played HS baseball... I know more than you.

I'm pretty sure you used it as an argument against sf back in you two's honeymoon period :P

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« Reply #315: November 15, 2011, 09:18:27 PM »
Then why didn't Kenney show the study to Reynolds?



In fairness, it was Carty poking fun of Reynolds, not Kenney.  One of the things Carty said Kenney does is he gets guys who are not saber guys on his show and lets them talk their peace.  Then, as I read it, it was Carty who made the remark about Kenney letting Reynolds have enough rope to hang himself.

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« Reply #316: November 22, 2011, 05:58:55 PM »
Just now:

"Statistics are just shorthand - two numbers will never tell you everything."

So true.  I'm not saying they don't have an important place, but this really resonated with me.

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« Reply #317: November 22, 2011, 07:55:56 PM »
"Statistics are just shorthand - two numbers will never tell you everything."

Except how much to pay the kidnappers...

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« Reply #318: November 23, 2011, 05:44:16 PM »
Brian Kenny just said that babe Ruth led the majors in WAR 12 times and one of them was as a pitcher.  I found that pretty cool.

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« Reply #319: November 29, 2011, 10:28:40 PM »
Strasburg just lost to Neftali Feliz in their "Top 25 under 25" showdown. :roll:

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« Reply #320: January 12, 2012, 05:07:50 PM »
Tony LaRussa claims Pujols would've given the Cards a 60-65 million dollar discount over what he signed for.  They just aired that, excerpted from a phone interview.

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« Reply #321: January 12, 2012, 05:16:15 PM »
:popcorn:

i stick to my guns in that MLB Network is a top 3 channel on tv.  my middle bro (the o's fan) pretty much only watches that channel.

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« Reply #322: January 12, 2012, 05:25:23 PM »
Tony LaRussa claims Pujols would've given the Cards a 60-65 million dollar discount over what he signed for.  They just aired that, excerpted from a phone interview.

They carried the story on Intentional Talk.



Leiter is in for Millar so the show isn't terrible.

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« Reply #323: January 12, 2012, 05:28:14 PM »
:popcorn:

i stick to my guns in that MLB Network is a top 3 channel on tv.  my middle bro (the o's fan) pretty much only watches that channel.

It's almost all that I watch in season when I'm not watching actual games.

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« Reply #324: January 12, 2012, 05:34:02 PM »
They carried the story on Intentional Talk.



Leiter is in for Millar so the show isn't terrible.

I know what it was from, I just didn't figure it mattered or that anyone cared :lol:

Now they're talking with Keith Olberman(sp?) about SABR stuff...  apparently the Cubs have a deal with Bloomberg sports to create an all-encompassing player evaluation system...  sounds like they're gonna put Linty out of a job :stir: