Author Topic: How great is Gio Gonzalez? (Read 4547 times)

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #25:** July 25, 2012, 07:55:41 AM »

Quote from: Hogie on July 25, 2012, 03:42:09 AM

http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

I don't trust a list with Hanrahan third

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #26:** July 25, 2012, 08:08:42 AM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on July 25, 2012, 07:55:41 AM

I don't trust a list with Hanrahan third

Why, the GasCanrahan had been a true stud the past two years and this isn't based on the Fangraphs over thinking crowd.

blue911 · « **Reply #27:** July 25, 2012, 08:21:21 AM »

The formula is heavily influenced by win and save totals. It isn't meant to be used to measure a pitchers value but to predict the Cy-Young winner.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #28:** July 25, 2012, 08:23:14 AM »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on July 25, 2012, 08:08:42 AM

Why, the GasCanrahan had been a true stud the past two years and this isn't based on the Fangraphs over thinking crowd.

Quote from: blue911 on July 25, 2012, 08:21:21 AM

The formula is heavily influenced by win and save totals. It isn't meant to be used to measure a pitchers value but to predict the Cy-Young winner.

unless they're gange good, there is no reason to include closers

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #29:** July 25, 2012, 08:25:36 AM »

Quote from: blue911 on July 25, 2012, 08:21:21 AM

The formula is heavily influenced by win and save totals. It isn't meant to be used to measure a pitchers value but to predict the Cy-Young winner.

Right, again not geared towards the value group.

Fan037 · « **Reply #30:** July 25, 2012, 08:26:09 AM »

Last night Gio was our no. 1 starter. The night before, Jordan was our no. 1 starter. On Sunday, Detwiler was our no. 1 starter. Today Strasburg will regain the title - no. 1 starter. Jackson's no. 2.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #31:** July 25, 2012, 08:40:01 AM »

These guys are just doing work like you wouldn't believe. I hope Strasburg throws a perfect game against the Mutts today.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #32:** July 25, 2012, 08:41:53 AM »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on July 25, 2012, 08:40:01 AM

These guys are just doing work like you wouldn't believe. I hope Strasburg throws a perfect game against the Mutts today.

He has every impetus since being called out by DJ.

Ray D · « **Reply #33:** July 25, 2012, 09:00:12 AM »

Quote from: Hogie on July 25, 2012, 03:42:09 AM

http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

Hanrahan #3? I don't trust that list.

Gleason2 · « **Reply #34:** July 25, 2012, 09:35:32 AM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on July 25, 2012, 07:55:41 AM

I don't trust a list with Hanrahan third

When did a closer last win the Cy Young award?

OldChelsea · « **Reply #35:** July 25, 2012, 09:36:56 AM »

Quote from: Gleason2 on July 25, 2012, 09:35:32 AM

When did a closer last win the Cy Young award?

Eric Gagne (2003).

nobleisthyname · « **Reply #36:** July 25, 2012, 09:37:34 AM »

The fact that closers are on that list is lol-worthy but it HAS been scary good at predicting the Cy Young winners in the past.

ronnynat · « **Reply #37:** July 25, 2012, 09:37:47 AM »

Quote from: Gleason2 on July 25, 2012, 09:35:32 AM

When did a closer last win the Cy Young award?

Gagne in 2003. That was a sick season. 0.69 WHIP.

Slateman · « **Reply #38:** July 25, 2012, 09:47:35 AM »

Chapman should be on that list. Reds need to use him like Gagne

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #39:** July 25, 2012, 10:07:33 AM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 25, 2012, 09:47:35 AM

Chapman should be on that list. Reds need to use him like Gagne

Kirk Radomski is out of business so good luck on that.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #40:** July 25, 2012, 10:22:23 AM »

No one "should" be on that list if the list is based on a historic formula and he does not do well on that formula. They aren't going to fix the formula so that someone who does not score in the top 10 appears in the top 10.

JZ, by the way, would score:

[(5*128.333 IP)/9 - 33 ER] + (90 K/12) + 0 SV + 0 SHO + [(7W*6) - (6L*2)] + 8 "Victory Bonus" = 83.8

He's hurt by his won - loss and his lack of Ks. If he were 10 - 3 instead of 7 - 6, he'd have 24 more points and be just ahead of Cain. If he were an 8 K/9 guy, he'd have 2 more points.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #41:** July 25, 2012, 10:34:53 AM »

Cueto would deserve it if the season ended right now. A 2.23 ERA in that park?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #42:** July 25, 2012, 11:15:24 AM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 25, 2012, 10:22:23 AM

No one "should" be on that list if the list is based on a historic formula and he does not do well on that formula. They aren't going to fix the formula so that someone who does not score in the top 10 appears in the top 10.

JZ, by the way, would score:

[(5*128.333 IP)/9 - 33 ER] + (90 K/12) + 0 SV + 0 SHO + [(7W*6) - (6L*2)] + 8 "Victory Bonus" = 83.8

He's hurt by his won - loss and his lack of Ks. If he were 10 - 3 instead of 7 - 6, he'd have 24 more points and be just ahead of Cain. If he were an 8 K/9 guy, he'd have 2 more points.

Dropout saves (unless you really think 9 winners in the history of the award really merits their inclusion) and maybe he makes it on the list.

Hogie · « **Reply #43:** July 25, 2012, 11:33:09 AM »

I have no idea why any of you wouldn't look at that list and be thrilled that a guy with a 0.00% chance of winning the Cy Young is ahead of Gio.

wpa2629 · « **Reply #44:** July 25, 2012, 11:38:03 AM »

Quote from: Hogie on July 25, 2012, 11:33:09 AM

I have no idea why any of you wouldn't look at that list and be thrilled that a guy with a 0.00% chance of winning the Cy Young is ahead of Gio.

LOL

Good point

RL04 · « **Reply #45:** August 02, 2012, 02:17:08 PM »

Quote from: BerkeleyNat on May 28, 2012, 11:00:57 AM

How great is Gio Gonzalez?

About the say as former Nat Tommy Milone is for Oakland . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/oakland-as-find-success-with-former-nationals-prospects/2012/08/01/gJQA0g09PX_story.html

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #46:** August 02, 2012, 02:27:55 PM »

from the same article:

Quote

Milone has thrived at home at the Coliseum, so much so that he has a 5-2 record and 1.51 ERA at home, but 5.77 ERA and 4-6 record on the road.

nobleisthyname · « **Reply #47:** August 02, 2012, 03:47:31 PM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on August 02, 2012, 02:27:55 PM

from the same article:

Actually reading is for suckers.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #48:** November 20, 2012, 04:35:39 PM »

Bump for a fangraphs article analyzing his season.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/examining-gio-gonzalez/

The author notes he that he relief on his fastballs more this year to get ahead, rather than starting hitter 30% of the time with the curve. By throwing the curve less frequently, and saving it more for when he was ahead in the count, he improved his K rate and decreased his walk rate to Kershaw's 2010 rates.

CALSGR8 · « **Reply #49:** November 20, 2012, 07:54:32 PM »

Better than 3Rd place for Cy Young! I guess playing for the best team in the league; most wins in the league, while pitching fewer innings; and on a team that was in the playoffs means squat!