Payroll estimated to reach over $100 Million

[PowerBoater69]

Settling the MASN issue would be helpful to the club in knowing its capabilities.

You betcha, on Twitter I offered the Os Morse straight up for our TV rights free and clear.

[RobDibblesGhost]

I think the word "estimated" can safely be removed from this thread title now.

[imref]

Around 120m now. 

[Copecwby20]

I'm sorry, is this an accusation of anti-semitism?  You realize ~95% of the LAC crowd had no idea the Lerners were Jewish (until the Lerner cheerleaders voiced their displeasure) and the other ~5% are member of the tribe that don't like them for their incompetence.  Get off the cross we need the wood for barbecue.

There you go trying to burn a cross you anti-semite

[PowerBoater69]

With the new TV money payroll is going up around the league, so let's wait for the opening day numbers, my prediction is that the Nats are still in the bottom half for both average and median payroll.

Well that was wrong.

[Tyler Durden]

So what does payroll stand at now?  Morse's $7 mil is gone and we know what the arbitration numbers are (except for JZ who will get either 4 or 6 mil)..

[zimm_da_kid]

So what does payroll stand at now?  Morse's $7 mil is gone and we know what the arbitration numbers are (except for JZ who will get either 4 or 6 mil)..

well the trading morse basically offsets what Raffi is getting paid next season.

[mimontero88]

well the trading morse basically offsets what Raffi is getting paid next season.

Really?  That sounds like a net add of $7 million to the payroll to me.

[GburgNatsFan]

If I understand it correctly, Sori only gets 7 million this year, although I don't know the details, exactly.

Really?  That sounds like a net add of $7 million to the payroll to me.

[mimontero88]

If I understand it correctly, Sori only gets 7 million this year, although I don't know the details, exactly.

Really?  So he makes $21 million next year?  That makes no sense.

[wpa2629]

Really?  So he makes $21 million next year?  That makes no sense.

He makes 7 this year and next then the rest is deferred between 2018 and whenever ...

[GburgNatsFan]

It looks like a Soriano retirement plan.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8855032/washington-nationals-sign-rafael-soriano-2-years-half-deferred

"His contract with Washington is worth $14 million in both 2013 and 2014, with half the money each season deferred until $2 million payments are made each Jan. 5 from 2018-24. The deal also includes a $14 million club option for 2015, which becomes guaranteed if Soriano finishes 120 games in 2013 and 2014 combined. Half of the money for that option also would be deferred, increasing the annual 2018-24 payments to $3 million."

Really?  So he makes $21 million next year?  That makes no sense.

[mimontero88]

Really?  So he makes $21 million next year?  That makes no sense.

And the answer is deferred payments of $2 million each on January 5th each year from 2018-2024 that become $3 million payments if his option is picked up.  Freakin weird.

[blue911]

And the answer is deferred payments of $2 million each on January 5th each year from 2018-2024 that become $3 million payments if his option is picked up.  Freakin weird.

Not really. Deferring money lowers the "real" cost of the contract while having it count against the salary tax threshold when there isn't a chance in hell of it being approached.

[mimontero88]

Not really. Deferring money lowers the "real" cost of the contract while having it count against the salary tax threshold when there isn't a chance in hell of it being approached.

I have never heard of deferred payments in a contract.  Not to say they don't happen.  Contracts are less my specialty than sabermetrics but I still feel like if this was a common thing I would have heard of it before.

[PowerBoater69]

And the answer is deferred payments of $2 million each on January 5th each year from 2018-2024 that become $3 million payments if his option is picked up.  Freakin weird.

This might explain why it makes sense for Soriano to defer payments until after he has retired:

http://www.taxrates.cc/html/dominican-republic-tax-rates.html

[nats2playoffs]

This might explain why it makes sense for Soriano to defer salary payments until after he has retired:

http://www.taxrates.cc/html/dominican-republic-tax-rates.html

Here's another reason to defer part of Soriano's (and other players') salary payments until 2017:
 

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[blue911]

I have never heard of deferred payments in a contract.  Not to say they don't happen.  Contracts are less my specialty than sabermetrics but I still feel like if this was a common thing I would have heard of it before.

It isn't common. Manny Ramirez signed a similar deal with the Dodgers a couple of years ago.

[Kevrock]

I have never heard of deferred payments in a contract.  Not to say they don't happen.  Contracts are less my specialty than sabermetrics but I still feel like if this was a common thing I would have heard of it before.

Bobby Bonilla, Mets are still paying him until 2035. 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703426004575339013108198050.html

[MarquisDeSade]

Bobby Bonilla, Mets are still paying him until 2035. 

That's the one I always think of too.

[PebbleBall]

Here's another reason to defer part of Soriano's (and other players') salary payments until 2017:
 

Politics aside, that doesn't make much sense.  I think the deferred money is all part of the Boras public image fund.

[PebbleBall]

Cot's has it currently at $106 million, with a lot of money still to be determined (Zimmermann, Espi, Ramos, etc.).  Top 10 for sure.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tsCEGKNVcxttZHoBc2O6q0w&output=html - via cot's

[tomterp]

Cot's has it currently at $106 million, with a lot of money still to be determined (Zimmermann, Espi, Ramos, etc.).  Top 10 for sure.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tsCEGKNVcxttZHoBc2O6q0w&output=html - via cot's

Don't you think other teams also have undetermined $?

[blue911]

Cot's has it currently at $106 million, with a lot of money still to be determined (Zimmermann, Espi, Ramos, etc.).  Top 10 for sure.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tsCEGKNVcxttZHoBc2O6q0w&output=html - via cot's

Cot's uses AAV not actual salaries

[Mattionals]

Cot's has it currently at $106 million, with a lot of money still to be determined (Zimmermann, Espi, Ramos, etc.).  Top 10 for sure.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tsCEGKNVcxttZHoBc2O6q0w&output=html - via cot's

Ramos and Espi are pre arb, so I expect them to get a small raise from last year, probably somewhere in the high 500,000 dollar range.  Looks like if you add in the 1 Mil for Bernie, 1 Mil for Stammen, probably 1 Mil for Duke and the inevitable 5 Mil for Jordan, you end up at at least 114 Mil total.  Espy, Ramos, Lombo, HRod, Mattheus/Bray probably push this to 116 Million.

I'm going with a 116 Million payroll.