Author Topic: seeing dukes in a nationals uniform gives me chills of excitement! (Read 18166 times)

ronnynat · « **Reply #175:** March 04, 2008, 02:12:10 AM »

Quote from: MrMadison on March 03, 2008, 09:32:58 PM

Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Alfonso Soriano, Alex Rodrigues, Bobby Bonds, Willie Mays, Ron Gant, and Sammy Sosa take issue with this statement.

Bo knows he's on that list, too.

eagleskins · « **Reply #176:** March 04, 2008, 04:14:49 AM »

Jeff Francouer. Has just as much power. WAY more athletic than Dukes. A hell of a lot faster than Dukes. And this is just our division. Dukes is decent, but in no way is he a freak athlete. He has average MLB speed, above average power, average fielding, below average hitting.

2k6nats · « **Reply #177:** March 04, 2008, 07:09:06 AM »

Quote from: mikehughes on March 04, 2008, 12:24:02 AM

HELLO!!!
Still waiting to here what the freak this is all about??
Dont sissy away from the question punk

I like your new sig much, much better...

MrMadison · « **Reply #178:** March 04, 2008, 10:41:28 AM »

Quote from: ronnynat on March 04, 2008, 02:12:10 AM

Bo knows he's on that list, too.

How could I forget Bo Jackson.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #179:** March 04, 2008, 01:14:56 PM »

Quote from: eagleskins on March 04, 2008, 04:14:49 AM

Jeff Francouer. Has just as much power. WAY more athletic than Dukes. A hell of a lot faster than Dukes. And this is just our division. Dukes is decent, but in no way is he a freak athlete. He has average MLB speed, above average power, average fielding, below average hitting.

I disagree about average speed and below average hitting. I don't know where you got that. I think I'll take John Sickles's opinion over yours.

tomterp · « **Reply #180:** March 04, 2008, 01:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Nats19 on March 03, 2008, 10:21:45 PM

If anyone gets the boot in the outfield, it will be Wily Mo. He's done zippy at the plate when I've seen him.

Chalk one up for the merit of stats vs. anecdotal observation.

tomterp · « **Reply #181:** March 04, 2008, 01:18:53 PM »

Quote from: eagleskins on March 04, 2008, 04:14:49 AM

Jeff Francouer. Has just as much power. WAY more athletic than Dukes. A hell of a lot faster than Dukes. And this is just our division. Dukes is decent, but in no way is he a freak athlete. He has average MLB speed, above average power, average fielding, below average hitting.

Here's an offensive chart for Dukes:

And comparable one for Francouer:

These are from Baseball Prospectus and are intended to reflect current abilities. They give advantage Francouer by a wide margin on hitting for average, but Dukes is superior in each of the other 4 categories - slight edge in power, and big advantage in walk rate, strikeout rate, and speed.

spidernat · « **Reply #182:** March 04, 2008, 01:30:53 PM »

Some people really believe BP is the New Testament of baseball

tomterp · « **Reply #183:** March 04, 2008, 01:32:23 PM »

Quote from: spidernat on March 04, 2008, 01:30:53 PM

Some people really believe BP is the New Testament of baseball

I think I've got Air Zimmerman on my side now.

uh, er,

spidernat · « **Reply #184:** March 04, 2008, 01:34:46 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on March 04, 2008, 01:32:23 PM

I think I've got Air Zimmerman on my side now. uh, er,

You may have just converted him into a disciple with the BP gospel.

eagleskins · « **Reply #185:** March 04, 2008, 03:58:56 PM »

Sorry, but Dukes is nowhere near as fast as Franceour. He ran a 4.4 out of high school, was the best player in Georgia and a top 5 football prospect.

Air Zimmerman · « **Reply #186:** March 04, 2008, 04:10:18 PM »

Quote from: eagleskins on March 04, 2008, 03:58:56 PM

Sorry, but Dukes is nowhere near as fast as Franceour. He ran a 4.4 out of high school, was the best player in Georgia and a top 5 football prospect.

dukes was named usa today's best two sport high school athlete in the country. he was one of the best outside linebackers in the country.

dukes athleticism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________ (fill in any players name in blank)

nats2playoffs · « **Reply #187:** March 04, 2008, 04:12:47 PM »

Quote from: spidernat on March 04, 2008, 01:30:53 PM

Some people really believe BP is the New Testament of baseball

There will probably be a Tom Hanks' Da Vinci Code Version of Baseball Prospectus, which purists will decry as a Hollywood ripoff created just to make money.

tomterp · « **Reply #188:** March 04, 2008, 04:41:22 PM »

Quote from: eagleskins on March 04, 2008, 03:58:56 PM

Sorry, but Dukes is nowhere near as fast as Franceour. He ran a 4.4 out of high school, was the best player in Georgia and a top 5 football prospect.

Air Zimmerman's hyperboly notwithstanding, both of them are terrific two sport athletes, and Dukes was in fact highly recruited to play football as well. Just a hunch, but I bet you haven't really taken the time to compare the two of them honestly and objectively.

EDIT: Here's a brief excerpt from the Wiki article on Dukes, supporting the contention that he was a gifted two-sport athlete.

Quote

Dukes attended Hillsborough High School as a senior, after spending his first three years of high school at Jefferson High School. He was a four-year letterman in football and baseball. In football, as a junior, he started at both tailback and middle linebacker, was named a Class 3A All-State selection as a linebacker, and rushed for over a thousand yards on offense.

tomterp · « **Reply #189:** March 04, 2008, 04:45:02 PM »

Quote from: Air Zimmerman on March 04, 2008, 04:10:18 PM

dukes athleticism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __Mathew LeCroy_________________ (fill in any players name in blank)

I thought of one.

mikehughes · « **Reply #190:** March 04, 2008, 04:55:03 PM »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on March 04, 2008, 12:41:19 AM

Sorry. Yurenell De Caster is amazing. I take it back.

You do know De Caster has like no speed right?

spidernat · « **Reply #191:** March 04, 2008, 04:57:37 PM »

Quote from: mikehughes on March 04, 2008, 04:55:03 PM

You do know De Caster has like no speed right?

You sort of proved his point.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #192:** March 04, 2008, 05:02:00 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on March 04, 2008, 04:45:02 PM

I thought of one.

Quote from: mikehughes on March 04, 2008, 04:55:03 PM

You do know De Caster has like no speed right?

Did I say he had speed? Frankly, I don't know squat about De Caster, nor do I give a damn. He was a minor league free agent for a reason. You like crappy players.

mikehughes · « **Reply #193:** March 04, 2008, 05:02:44 PM »

Quote from: spidernat on March 04, 2008, 04:57:37 PM

You sort of proved his point.

Hows that?
I like De Caster and most the guys I like are not cuz of speed, id like to see the post that gave him that idea cuz he is saying I have some crush on speed?

mikehughes · « **Reply #194:** March 04, 2008, 05:03:30 PM »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on March 04, 2008, 05:02:00 PM

:rofl:Did I say he had speed? Frankly, I don't know squat about De Caster, nor do I give a damn. He was a minor league free agent for a reason. You like crappy players.

Ok but that wasnt the question explain what you meant by me having a hard on for speed, come on go ahead

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #195:** March 04, 2008, 05:09:30 PM »

So you like Willie Harris and Roger Bernadina for their incredible batting eye/power combo? Duly noted.

mikehughes · « **Reply #196:** March 04, 2008, 05:26:32 PM »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on March 04, 2008, 05:09:30 PM

So you like Willie Harris and Roger Bernadina for their incredible batting eye/power combo? Duly noted.

Willie Harris can play like any position and is really athletic have u ever seen that catch he made last year DAMMNN thats what made me like him, and I never said Benadina I liked as a favorite, I just like him somewhat after he hit 300 and I heard he could be centerfielder last year. Dully noted. AHAHAHAHA

spidernat · « **Reply #197:** March 04, 2008, 05:43:40 PM »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on March 04, 2008, 12:41:19 AM

Sorry. Yurenell De Caster is amazing. I take it back.

Quote from: MrMadison on March 04, 2008, 12:57:51 AM

Mike Bacsik is the greatest pitcher who has ever lived!!!!!!!!!!!!!one1111!!!!!!!!

Don't forget, Brandon Watson should've been MVP in '07.

UMDNats · « **Reply #198:** March 04, 2008, 08:09:09 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on March 04, 2008, 01:15:37 PM

Chalk one up for the merit of stats vs. anecdotal observation.

Yea, I only saw 2 games and he didn't do anything. I'm glad to hear he's performed when I haven't seen him.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #199:** March 04, 2008, 09:12:29 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on March 04, 2008, 01:18:53 PM

Here's an offensive chart for Dukes:

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And comparable one for Francouer:

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These are from Baseball Prospectus and are intended to reflect current abilities. They give advantage Francouer by a wide margin on hitting for average, but Dukes is superior in each of the other 4 categories - slight edge in power, and big advantage in walk rate, strikeout rate, and speed.

Those walk and speed numbers for Dukes sure are impressive. But then again, I think Francouer is way overrated (maybe it's because the BA is high and the BB is low)