Author Topic: Nats and the 2012 Non-Waiver Trade deadline watch (Read 90640 times)

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1800:** July 31, 2012, 03:33:04 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 03:31:59 PM

So. Giants, Dodgers, Reds, Braves, Pirates all have made moves.

Don't make a move just for the sake of making one... but if there's any chance of snagging a catcher, I hope Rizzo takes the plunge. Provided the price tag isn't high.

this is pretty much how I feel.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1801:** July 31, 2012, 03:33:08 PM »

I have to admit that it's kind of disheartening wactching all of the teams around us improve while we just stand pat "adding" Werth, Tracy, Storen and DeRosa.

Feels a bit like, "we're satisfied with being in first place on July 31st. It's been a good season already and the rest is gravy."

Ali the Baseball Cat · « **Reply #1802:** July 31, 2012, 03:34:16 PM »

(ahem)

Quote from: tomterp on July 31, 2012, 03:29:53 PM

Preston Wilson is tanned, rested, and ready.

PebbleBall · « **Reply #1803:** July 31, 2012, 03:34:56 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 03:32:38 PM

He has a World Series ring to his name.

With the biggest * you can find next to it.

BrandonK · « **Reply #1804:** July 31, 2012, 03:35:49 PM »

Podesednik to Diamondbacks for Breslow. Upton is the next move?

NoShoesNoShirtNoDice · « **Reply #1805:** July 31, 2012, 03:36:34 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 03:32:38 PM

He has a World Series ring to his name.

Loria had nothing to do with it. But he had his hands in dismantliing the Expos.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1806:** July 31, 2012, 03:36:50 PM »

Quote from: PebbleBall on July 31, 2012, 03:34:56 PM

With the biggest * you can find next to it.

Asterisks are for B*rry B*nds. Nobody is taking away the Cardinals' rings from last year despite relying on the Braves to collapse and the Rangers to choke. They weren't last year's best team but that doesn't matter.

For that matter, weren't the Marlins championships both won when they were the Wild Card?

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1807:** July 31, 2012, 03:37:19 PM »

Quote from: NoShoesNoShirtNoDice on July 31, 2012, 03:36:34 PM

Loria had nothing to do with it. But he had his hands in dismantliing the Expos.

So. No credit when they win. All the credit when they suck?

Ali the Baseball Cat · « **Reply #1808:** July 31, 2012, 03:38:27 PM »

The second certainly was (hello Steve Bartman)...

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2012, 03:36:50 PM

Asterisks are for B*rry B*nds. Nobody is taking away the Cardinals' rings from last year despite relying on the Braves to collapse and the Rangers to choke. They weren't last year's best team but that doesn't matter.

For that matter, weren't the Marlins championships both won when they were the Wild Card?

PebbleBall · « **Reply #1809:** July 31, 2012, 03:40:11 PM »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2012, 03:36:50 PM

Asterisks are for B*rry B*nds. Nobody is taking away the Cardinals' rings from last year despite relying on the Braves to collapse and the Rangers to choke. They weren't last year's best team but that doesn't matter.

For that matter, weren't the Marlins championships both won when they were the Wild Card?

It's not that they didn't win a legit title, it's that they did it in the year between Loria's destruction of the Expos and before he started bilking Miami for a new stadium in earnest.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1810:** July 31, 2012, 03:42:49 PM »

Quote from: PebbleBall on July 31, 2012, 03:40:11 PM

It's not that they didn't win a legit title, it's that they did it in the year between Loria's destruction of the Expos and before he started bilking Miami for a new stadium in earnest.

So? How is that illegitimate? The team still won the title.

NoShoesNoShirtNoDice · « **Reply #1811:** July 31, 2012, 03:43:01 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 03:37:19 PM

So. No credit when they win. All the credit when they suck?

Loria bought the Marlins in 2002. They won the WS in 2003. It was dumb luck on his part. This season, new stadium and big FA signings that had many saying the Marlins were a WS favorite. Half a year in and he is tearing it apart. Reyes must feel good.

PebbleBall · « **Reply #1812:** July 31, 2012, 03:44:40 PM »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2012, 03:42:49 PM

So? How is that illegitimate? The team still won the title.

Quote from: PebbleBall on July 31, 2012, 03:40:11 PM

It's not that they didn't win a legit title...

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1813:** July 31, 2012, 03:45:14 PM »

Deadlines at 4, yeah?

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #1814:** July 31, 2012, 03:45:37 PM »

Quote from: PebbleBall on July 31, 2012, 03:34:56 PM

With the biggest * you can find next to it.

What do you mean.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1815:** July 31, 2012, 03:45:47 PM »

I'm less concerned about the marlins than I am about the Phillies. They got some good arms to go along with Hamels who will actually still be good by the time the Phillies get good again. Lee and Halladay will either be aging or gone. I could see them flipping Lee and/or halladay for some position players and retooling faster than the Fish.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1816:** July 31, 2012, 03:47:51 PM »

Hey lets just do this:

Moore - Werth - Morse

with Harper at Catcher.

jk

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1817:** July 31, 2012, 03:48:31 PM »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on July 31, 2012, 03:47:51 PM

Hey lets just do this:

Moore - Werth - Morse

with Harper at Catcher.

jk

I love it!

BrandonK · « **Reply #1818:** July 31, 2012, 03:49:17 PM »

No moves.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #1819:** July 31, 2012, 03:49:47 PM »

Get ready for disappointment.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1820:** July 31, 2012, 03:49:59 PM »

Espinosa
Harper
Zimmerman
Morse
LaRoche
Werth
Moore
Desmond/Lombo
Pitcher

Holy Smokes

we have 8 power hitters

PebbleBall · « **Reply #1821:** July 31, 2012, 03:50:38 PM »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on July 31, 2012, 03:45:37 PM

What do you mean.

He's under SEC investigation because the goal of his ownership with the Marlins was to play poor with Miami in order to have a new stadium built. By all indications his goal was the same in Montreal, and Bud Selig - also named in the SEC complaint and the all time leader in new stadium construction - orchestrated his purchase of the Marlins when it became clear that wouldn't happen.

So yes, they won a title as a wild card team with a new owner that promptly stripped and sold the team as he continued to do what he has always done. So he has a ring, but I'd be hard to convince that it's because Jeffrey Loria is a Builder of Champions.

Obed_Marsh · « **Reply #1822:** July 31, 2012, 03:51:30 PM »

It is the N.L. East, everyone will retool and get back in competitive mix eventually. I am a bit surprised the Mets aren't selling.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1823:** July 31, 2012, 03:51:55 PM »

Rumor is Dempster is going to the Yankees. Gee, a first place team willing to improve - even though the have the league's best record and a 6.5 game lead. Must be nice.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #1824:** July 31, 2012, 03:53:52 PM »

Quote from: PebbleBall on July 31, 2012, 03:50:38 PM

He's under SEC investigation because the goal of his ownership with the Marlins was to play poor with Miami in order to have a new stadium built. By all indications his goal was the same in Montreal, and Bud Selig - also named in the SEC complaint and the all time leader in new stadium construction - orchestrated his purchase of the Marlins when it became clear that wouldn't happen.

So yes, they won a title as a wild card team with a new owner that promptly stripped and sold the team as he continued to do what he has always done. So he has a ring, but I'd be hard to convince that it's because Jeffrey Loria is a Builder of Champions.

Win or GTFO.