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Offline cletusvandamme

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1500: November 09, 2012, 01:51:48 PM »
Tweet from Ken Rosenthal: GMs last night dined at home of Nats owner Ted Lerner. "After seeing it," one GM said, "I think they are getting Hamilton AND Greinke."

Oh geez.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1501: November 09, 2012, 01:54:09 PM »
OH I WOULD LOVE THAT.

but just because he has a lot of money doesn't mean he likes to spend it.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1502: November 09, 2012, 01:56:03 PM »
OH I WOULD LOVE THAT.

but just because he has a lot of money doesn't mean he likes to spend it.

That would be a total disaster and I'm not even trolling or being negative.  Josh Hamilton is going to fool someone into giving him 6+ years and $150M+ guaranteed money and it shouldn't be the Nats. 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1503: November 09, 2012, 01:56:10 PM »
Upon further consideration, I take nothing away from that tweet. The Lerners are loaded. No crap.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1504: November 09, 2012, 02:00:06 PM »
Danny could be Hamilton's accountability partner. That way we would be secure in the fact that if Josh asked his help getting a hit, Danny couldn't come through.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1505: November 09, 2012, 02:00:53 PM »
That would be a total disaster and I'm not even trolling or being negative.  Josh Hamilton is going to fool someone into giving him 6+ years and $150M+ guaranteed money and it shouldn't be the Nats. 

No, we'll give him a 2 year $100mm deal.  :whip:

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1506: November 09, 2012, 02:04:36 PM »
No, we'll give him a 2 year $100mm deal.  :whip:

Before or after we sign Bryce to that 25 year $2B deal?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1507: November 09, 2012, 02:05:06 PM »
Danny could be Hamilton's accountability partner. That way we would be secure in the fact that if Josh asked his help getting a hit, Danny couldn't come through.

POTY.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1508: November 09, 2012, 02:11:18 PM »
Bowden has the Nats as one of seven trade scenarios for Ellsbury.

7. Washington Nationals | trade targets: OF Brian Goodwin and RHP Alex Meyer
Goodwin has been wowing scouts in the Arizona Fall League with his range, defense and bat. Meyer was very impressive in his pro debut last season in A-ball, where he went a combined 10-6 with a 2.86 ERA in 25 starts. Meyer was the Nationals’ first-round choice in 2011, and the Red Sox have been following him closely since they selected him the 20th round of the 2008 draft but weren’t able to sign him. Ellsbury would allow the Nationals to put Bryce Harper in one of the corners with Jayson Werth. A deal of this magnitude would put them among the NL’s early favorites to reach the World Series.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1509: November 09, 2012, 02:20:28 PM »
NJ Ave and I have kicked around the idea of Shin Soo Choo for a year.  Here is Eno Sariss's  discussion of what to expect from Choo going forward.  He's a heck of a lot lower cost that Ellsbury and does not require the multi-year commitment.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-indians-face-a-choice-with-shin-soo-choo/

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You’re left with a player that has decent plate discipline, has reliably hit line drives over his career, has an approach that’s conducive to high batting averages, and still has league-average power. His possibly eroding athleticism has cost him some of that power, made him a worse defender, and slowed his wheels to the point that he’s probably a ‘just’ an above-average player.

Choo is in his last year of arbitration, and provided he gets a 50% raise or less on last year’s $4.9 million salary, he should probably have about $5 million in surplus value. According to Victor Wang’s research in 2008, that wouldn’t net the Indians a top 100 pitching prospect, and with inflation, it’s doubtful it would even get a John-Sickels Grade B pitching prospect anymore


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1510: November 09, 2012, 02:24:37 PM »
I'm starting to find some things I don't like in this offseason.  It reminds me of the 2010 offseason a little bit.

In 2010, the Nats did not re-sign Dunn and Rizzo's "guy" was Carlos Pena.  Carlos freaking Pena.  What a waste of baseballs and dollars on Carlos past his prime Pena.

This year, the Nats keep getting linked to Bourn and Upton.  Whether this is poor reporting and a disregard for the farm system or actual truth, this bothers me.  Bourn had a wRC+ value of 104 last season.  He was only worth 4 more runs created over average.  Upton had a wRC+ of 107.  To me, this means that these guys aren't creating really any more runs than league average.

ALR posted a 127 and Morse a 113.  Moore posted a 120.  I don't think the upgrade defensively of Bourn or Upton will save close to 10 or 20 additional runs. 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1511: November 09, 2012, 02:34:55 PM »
Meh, people gotta come up with something to fill the space.  Nobody linked us to Gonzalez last year.  I'm not overly concerned.  We've been linked to Bourn since last offseason so it's really more carry over from that than anything.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1513: November 09, 2012, 02:51:43 PM »
It's just the mass media perception that we need a leadoff CF and Bourn is a leadoff CF. Also, we never signed Carlos Pena. I think the media often gets Rizzo's targets very wrong. They certainly never reported on his attempts to get Ellsbury...or Werth.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1514: November 09, 2012, 03:02:28 PM »
Werth was a beast? He was a high average slap hitter who played poor defense.

One home run and everybody be tripping

Bowden has the Nats as one of seven trade scenarios for Ellsbury.

7. Washington Nationals | trade targets: OF Brian Goodwin and RHP Alex Meyer
Goodwin has been wowing scouts in the Arizona Fall League with his range, defense and bat. Meyer was very impressive in his pro debut last season in A-ball, where he went a combined 10-6 with a 2.86 ERA in 25 starts. Meyer was the Nationals’ first-round choice in 2011, and the Red Sox have been following him closely since they selected him the 20th round of the 2008 draft but weren’t able to sign him. Ellsbury would allow the Nationals to put Bryce Harper in one of the corners with Jayson Werth. A deal of this magnitude would put them among the NL’s early favorites to reach the World Series.

Only if Ellsbury comes with an extension.

Would make for an intersting lineup. I'd almost say you bat Ellsbury second and push Harper back to 4th or 6th.

Werth
Ellsbury
Zimmerman
Morse/Laroche
Harper/Desmond
Desmond/Harper

If Ellsbury could stay healthy, that would be a pretty good lineup

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1515: November 09, 2012, 04:11:52 PM »
Greinke is the only big name out there I want. I'm definitely not a fan of further thinning out our farm system, especially when our CF of the future might be just a year away and very cheap.

I'm pretty sure every day I'm going to talk myself into Greinke more and more.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1516: November 09, 2012, 04:29:39 PM »
QUALIFYING OFFERS

So Kuroda, the pitcher for the Yankees that was open to a 1 year contract before being given the QO, and was the only one expected to accept, is now likely not to, with today being the deadline to accept for all players.

That means in the first year of this model, no one accepted. I don’t see that changing.

I guess there may be that one or two guys a year, that were likely to get a max of two years on the market, and 13 per (or whatever the QO is that year) is pretty close to their value, but because the offer is there,  and a pick is attached, they are now not going to see that second year, or more money than the 13, so they accept because they were painted into a corner.

Interesting balancing act. Rizzo was pretty blunt in his statement that we did not extend to E-JAX out of fear he would accept.

I’m not sure how I feel about it. I think it’s less convoluted than the Type A, Type B stuff and that is an improvement, and rather than have some outside source say these guys qualify and these guys don’t, this puts the onus on the teams to determine who qualifies…but if it is rarely accepted, then it’s just posturing. Seems like a lot of ink and phone calls for stuff that is pretty clear what is going to happen.

I suppose for the pick to be attached, the team has to have something holding them to their committment (however minimal) to the player, otherwise there is no balance, but it seems like a lot to do about nothing.

Coming up on when these pieces start to move and picks are attached, how do you guys feel about this versus the A/B model?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1517: November 09, 2012, 04:39:08 PM »
This is a much better method.




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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1518: November 09, 2012, 04:44:36 PM »
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Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports spoke with agents and rival executives about where Josh Hamilton might land and the Nationals, Phillies, Mariners, and Orioles often came up in conversation. 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1519: November 09, 2012, 04:48:57 PM »
Wake me when a deal goes down.

If I remember correctly, Pena spurned the Nats... Not the Nats choosing LaRoche.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1520: November 09, 2012, 04:52:47 PM »
sign everyone.

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« Reply #1521: November 09, 2012, 04:53:08 PM »
sign dunn

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« Reply #1522: November 09, 2012, 04:53:16 PM »
sign upton

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1523: November 09, 2012, 04:53:24 PM »
sign mussina

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #1524: November 09, 2012, 04:53:42 PM »
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WASHINGTON -- Davey Johnson has agreed to terms on a one-year deal with the Nationals, a baseball source confirmed to MLB.com. Following the conclusion of the 2013 season, Johnson plans to call it a career as a manager, the same source said
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