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Offline Lintyfresh85

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« Reply #150: October 20, 2009, 11:51:22 AM »
It's not his walks that concern me. He only has one so far. It's the fact that he's given up five hits in two innings. Also, one swinging strike in 27 pitches isn't great to hear either.

I'd hope his stuff would bring about less contact... not induce it.

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« Reply #151: October 20, 2009, 11:58:20 AM »
1 swinging strike in 27 pitches? That's, um, ridiculous. In a bad way.

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« Reply #152: October 20, 2009, 12:08:03 PM »
I think you all are being extra critical of Storen's performance so far. If not for an error he'd only have given up 2 hits so far. Also the AFL is known as a hitters league. So I'd say he's doing fine so far.

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« Reply #153: October 20, 2009, 12:09:01 PM »
Hitters league or not... swinging strikes are the same in the AFL as they are the Eastern League.

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« Reply #154: October 20, 2009, 12:30:59 PM »
Hitters league or not... swinging strikes are the same in the AFL as they are the Eastern League.

and 3 innings is a pretty small sample size to be criticizing...

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« Reply #155: October 20, 2009, 12:31:43 PM »
and 3 innings is a pretty small sample size to be criticizing...
This, I agree with.

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« Reply #156: October 20, 2009, 12:44:09 PM »
and 3 innings is a pretty small sample size to be criticizing...
He is the same guy that was bashing me just a few days ago saying that the AFL games are meaningless. :lmao:


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« Reply #157: October 20, 2009, 12:49:39 PM »
Because you were freaking out like its the end of the world. I on the other hand was rationally talking about a guy who's currently not missing bats with his pitches. Something I'm sure he, and the Nats coaches are aware of and tracking. There's a bid difference... I doubt you will notice it though.

As for Storen, I wouldn't be surprised to see a dip in velocity to maximize his movement coming sometime in the future.

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« Reply #158: October 20, 2009, 01:22:47 PM »
I could not care less if he "misses bats" as long as he gets outs without giving up runs he will be fine.

Look at how many called strikes there were. Most of them were on off-speed pitches. The batters were so frozen they couldn't swing.

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« Reply #159: October 20, 2009, 01:26:26 PM »
Really? They were frozen? Did you see the highlights?

It doesn't really matter. Storen is still going to be a stud. Hopefully he gets a bit better at missing bats.

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« Reply #160: October 20, 2009, 01:35:37 PM »
How else do you explain all of those called strikes?

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« Reply #161: October 20, 2009, 01:42:01 PM »
Working the count? Just because a pitch is a strike doesn't mean a hitter has to swing.

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« Reply #162: October 20, 2009, 02:52:00 PM »
Wow - there's a story on Chris Marrero on the front page of ESPN.com's fantasy baseball page:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4577015&name=grey_jason

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Marrero, Heisey make strides at AFL

Monday, October 19, 2009 | Print Entry

Posted by Jason Grey

A couple of 2006 draft picks -- one highly touted, and one not -- turned some heads during the first week of the Arizona Fall League (AFL) by squaring the ball up consistently.

The Washington Nationals took first baseman Chris Marrero 15th overall in 2006 out of a Florida high school, but he didn't exactly tear up high Class A in nearly 600 combined at-bats in 2007 and 2008. A broken leg and torn ligaments in his ankle ended his '08 campaign early. He'd also battled various health issues since his senior year of high school.

Returning to high Class A for a third season in 2009, Marrero hit .287 with 16 homers and slugged .464 to earn a late promotion to Double-A and get his career back on track a little bit.

Marrero's best tool is his plus power; he can drive the ball out of any park to any field. He generates good leverage and loft with his 6-foot-3 frame, has good balance at the plate while starting from a slightly open stance, and possesses some bat speed. He also seems to have decent pitch recognition.

Talking to a couple of scouts who followed him fairly extensively this season, the consensus seems to be that he's a 45 on the 20-80 scouting scale, or a major league backup. He gets a little too pull-happy and opens up early, which leads to his rolling over a lot of balls and giving away the outer half of the plate.

That said, he is still just 21, and he has gotten the barrel on the ball consistently in his first few games in the AFL, even staying back and hanging in there on off-speed stuff from right-handed pitchers in a couple of at-bats.

Adam Dunn is signed for one more year, so another season of growth could give Marrero a chance at a starting job in 2011. It's still a bit premature to project him as a regular, but he's had some good at-bats thus far, and his power potential is intriguing.


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« Reply #163: October 20, 2009, 06:02:47 PM »
crazy comeback by the D-Dogs today.

They trailed 5-0 heading into the bottom of the 7th inning.

-Emaus groundout (1 OUT)
-O'Malley Single
-Jimenez Single, O'Malley to third
-Angle grounds into force out, O'Malley scores (5-1) (2 OUTS)
-Angle steals 2B
-Espinosa singles, Angle scores (5-2)
-Waring Doubles, Espinosa to third
-Marrero Singles, Espinosa scores, Waring to third (5-3)
-Desme Homers, Marrero, Waring, Desme score (6-5)
-Loewen walks
-Emaus Homers, Loewen and Emaus score (8-5)
-O'Malley grounds out (3 OUTS)

8 runs total, 7 scored with 2 outs.

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« Reply #164: October 20, 2009, 06:08:06 PM »
when is Strasburg pitching next?

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« Reply #165: October 20, 2009, 06:09:52 PM »
when is Strasburg pitching next?

Thursday

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« Reply #166: October 20, 2009, 06:10:06 PM »
when is Strasburg pitching next?
Thursday

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« Reply #167: October 20, 2009, 06:57:25 PM »
crazy comeback by the D-Dogs today.

They trailed 5-0 heading into the bottom of the 7th inning.

-Emaus groundout (1 OUT)
-O'Malley Single
-Jimenez Single, O'Malley to third
-Angle grounds into force out, O'Malley scores (5-1) (2 OUTS)
-Angle steals 2B
-Espinosa singles, Angle scores (5-2)
-Waring Doubles, Espinosa to third
-Marrero Singles, Espinosa scores, Waring to third (5-3)
-Desme Homers, Marrero, Waring, Desme score (6-5)
-Loewen walks
-Emaus Homers, Loewen and Emaus score (8-5)
-O'Malley grounds out (3 OUTS)

8 runs total, 7 scored with 2 outs.

freakin sweet. :clap:

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« Reply #168: October 20, 2009, 07:21:04 PM »
And they gave up 6 runs in the top of the 9th to lose 11-8. :roll:

stupid mother freakers. Why didn't Mandel get to close it out?

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« Reply #169: October 20, 2009, 07:29:31 PM »
Because they want to torment you.

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« Reply #170: October 20, 2009, 08:42:43 PM »
And they gave up 6 runs in the top of the 9th to lose 11-8. :roll:

stupid mother freakers. Why didn't Mandel get to close it out?
Quite Nationalesque

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« Reply #171: October 20, 2009, 10:40:43 PM »
Wow - there's a story on Chris Marrero on the front page of ESPN.com's fantasy baseball page:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4577015&name=grey_jason



Is that article saying that right now, Marrero is good enough to be a backup first baseman, or that's his peak? I sure hope its the former.

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« Reply #172: October 20, 2009, 11:27:46 PM »
Is that article saying that right now, Marrero is good enough to be a backup first baseman, or that's his peak? I sure hope its the former.
Yeah. Big difference between "the consensus seems to be that he's a major league backup." and "the consensus seems to be that he's going to max out as a major league backup." Either they're saying they expect him to really blossom over the next couple years, or they're saying he's like a highly-touted Pete Orr.

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« Reply #173: October 21, 2009, 11:32:50 AM »
Is he really all that highly touted? He's stuck at first base defensively, he doesn't even seem to be excelling there, he has very limited OBP skills, and plus power potential that has yet to show up in games completely.

What does that project to in the major leagues? On the 75th percentile (meaning it's an optimistic projection but not his absolute peak) that probably means a .290/.350/.500 hitter - nothing to be ashamed of but nothing really special as a first baseman without plus defensive tools.

But these scouts are talking about his "consensus" which probably means his 50th percentile projection, which is probably more like .275/.340/.460, which is a backup major league first baseman.

To give some perspective, there were 14 NL first basemen who qualified for the batting title this year. Nine of the 14 had an OPS of .900 or better. Only 3 had an OPS of less than .830 (Jorge Cantu, James Loney, and Daniel Murphy - not exactly guys who probably have long-term starting job security). The top 9 starting NL first basement all have OBP of roughly .400 or better except for Ryan Howard, who has the most power of anyone in the majors.

In general, I like Marrero but I'm frustrated by his lack of development in the field and at his OBP skills. Without those things in place, I don't see why anyone should expect him to be more than a second division starter for 3-5 years, and probably always in danger of losing his job to a better hitter.

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« Reply #174: October 21, 2009, 12:02:01 PM »
To put Marrero into perspective, here's a comparison of seasons with the player's age in parentheses:

Chris Marrero, high-A (20): .287/.360/.464
Adrian Gonzalez, high-A (19): .312/.382/.486
Prince Fielder, A (19): .313/.409/.526
Derrek Lee, high-A (19): .301/.366/.496
Adam Dunn, A (19): .307/.409/.476
Lance Berkman, high-A (21, season after college): .293/.417/.543
Albert Pujols, A (20): .324/.389/.565
Nick Johnson, high-A (19): .317/.466/.538

I think you start to see my point - Marrero is not as productive a hitter as most star 1Bs were at a similar age. However, that doesn't mean he won't get better (some guys progress later than others) and it doesn't mean he can't be a guy who starts a few seasons in the majors. It just means that he doesn't look like the kind of guy you put at first base for a winning franchise and forget about for 10 years. He looks more like James Loney (.284/.357/.419 at age 21 in double-A) and guys like James Loney often start in the majors for a while, but don't turn into stars.