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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: The 2008 MLB Draft Thread
« Reply #75: June 01, 2008, 07:01:52 PM »
I think I'd rather take Alonso over Smoak if I had the choice.  It should be fun to follow this over the next week or so.

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« Reply #76: June 01, 2008, 07:10:08 PM »
I think I'd rather take Alonso over Smoak if I had the choice.  It should be fun to follow this over the next week or so.

Most are saying Alonso will be gone, though, right?

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« Reply #77: June 01, 2008, 07:25:33 PM »
Most are saying Alonso will be gone, though, right?

Not really most of the drafts I have seen have Smoak in the top 10. But ppls oppinions of Alonso seem to vary some have him going as high as the giants others have him falling out of the top 10.

Alonso is known as the best hitter in the draft but Smoak has a higher ceiling and definetly has the better defense.

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« Reply #78: June 03, 2008, 09:11:09 AM »
Discussion of 10 upcoming draftees by Kevin Goldstein, Baseball Prospectus:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7604

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It’s draft week, so let’s get away from the players getting paid and start the week with a different kind of Ten Pack. Here are ten players generating the longest and most heated discussions during the non-stop internal meetings that took place over the weekend.

Jason Castro, C, Stanford: The College Riser
It’s not that Castro’s suddenly appeared on draft boards as much as he’s made a slow and steady climb up them throughout the year. He began the year pretty faint on most radars after hitting just .167 during an injury-riddled junior year, but he started to get some attention with a solid showing in the Cape Cod League over the summer, and from there, he’s gone nowhere but up, entrenching himself in the middle of the Cardinal lineup while leading the team in batting. Combine a big body, good defense and plus power from the left side, and he’s suddenly a first-round pick. Having nearly every team in baseball desperate for anything resembling a future everyday player behind the dish helps.

Gerrit Cole, RHP, Orange Lutheran HS (CA): Talent vs. Makeup
No pitcher is more difficult to project a home for than Cole. He has a big, projectable frame and the best arm of any teenager in the draft, consistently touching the mid-90s with his fastball and reportedly getting into the magic 100 mph range in one of his most recent outings. At the same time, he has the kind of arm action that makes some scouts tremble in fear, and more makeup questions than the late Tammy Faye Bakker. That makes things complicated enough, but to confuse matters further, he’s being advised by Scott Boras. His stuff and through-the-roof ceiling will be enough for one team to get around all the negatives, but who that team exactly is remains one of the draft's great unknowns.

Anthony Hewitt, SS, Salisbury School (CT): Highest Risk, Highest Reward?
I have to confess, Anthony Hewitt is my favorite player in the draft. Not because he’s the best player, mind you, as he’s far from that. It’s because you can’t have a conversation with any scout, scouting director, or team official without Hewitt being proclaimed as quite possibly the messiah once again descending to earth... or an absolutely horrible baseball player. There’s seemingly no in between with Hewitt. It started a couple of weeks ago, when a scout threw a Bo Jackson body comp on him. Just to be clear, there are some teams that don’t even allow Bo Jackson body comps, as he was arguably the only player ever with 80 raw power, 80 speed, and an 80 arm. Then there’s the Hanley Ramirez player comp, the tale of the 500-plus foot home runs, the 4.15 running time to first while slipping out of the box and I’m pretty sure something about him turning water into wine. Then there’s the scouting director who, when I inquired as to his inability to hit the breaking ball, told me, "Breaking balls? Hell, he can’t hit anything." Some say that no player has had a bigger gap between tools and skills in recent draft history, but there are a bunch of teams who can’t find any player they love in the second half of the first round who are deciding to simply gamble on a great athlete with a ton of ceiling, and Hewitt fits that bill perfectly.

Brett Lawrie, SS, Brookswood HS (BC), The High School Riser
Scouting Canadians can involve trips to a whole lot of places other than Canada. Since he plays for multiple travel teams, seeing Lawrie of late has involved traveling to warm-weather spots like Florida and, recently, the Dominican Republic. Last week’s trip with the junior national team was the biggest eye-opener, as the squarely-built Lawrie slammed eight home runs in eight games against professionals still in the Dominican, including five in a doubleheader that had scouts from plenty of teams with high first-round picks in attendance. Suddenly, he’s lined up for a series of private workouts this week, including one with a team picking in the single digits. He could be the first selection on Thursday that raises some serious eyeballs.

Alex Meyer, RHP, Greenburg HS (IN): Can’t Touch This
Meyer is a six-foot-seven teenage right-hander who lives in the low to mid-90s and features a low-80s slider that is already a wipeout offering. For all that, there’s nevertheless a good chance that he won’t be selected at all. Meyer is still a bit of a project mechanically, and teams just don’t see him being worth the price tag that’s been placed on him by advisor Scott Boras. The dollar sign on the muscle says he’s a late first-round pick, but depending on who you talk to, he was three to four times that kind of money. That has left some teams not even driving out to the small town between Indianapolis and Cincinnati to file a report on him. If anything, he’ll be a late-round insurance policy for a team at best, and we’ll likely be talking about him again three years from now after he completes three years at the University of Kentucky.

Ryan Perry, RHP, University of Arizona: The College Closer
In the comment on Anthony Hewitt, I talked about how some teams are throwing up their hands at the clump of players available to them and just deciding to take the most tools-laden kid they can find. Other teams facing the same issue are solving it with a solution that is its polar opposite--just take the college reliever who can help us quickly. Currently, that group includes Texas Christian’s Andrew Cashner, Georgia’s Josh Fields, and a pair of overpowering arms with the Wildcats: Perry and southpaw Daniel Schlereth. Here’s a quick lesson for you college relievers looking to separate yourself from the pack. In the opening round of post-season play, in what is likely your last outing before the draft, hit 100 mph with your fastball. Want to make a little more money? Hit it again a couple of pitches later. Perry did just that over the weekend, and it probably made him a few hundred thousand dollars.

Buster Posey, C, Florida State: Ceiling vs. Certainty
As of Sunday night, the Rays are still basically in coin-flip mode to determine picking Posey or Georgia high school shortstop Tim Beckham, with Pedro Alvarez also in the picture there somewhere. The question remains as to the soundness of taking a sure thing with the top pick over a player with a massive ceiling. Posey continue to state his case by putting up huge numbers, including a two-homer game on Sunday, but evaluators continue to see him as a player who, although well above-average both offensively and defensively, falls short of being a true impact player. The biggest question right now is where he ends up if the Rays pass on him. The answer is probably as low as fifth overall, but he could fall even lower if he ends up wanting to be paid on his performance more than his projection.

Tanner Scheppers, RHP, Fresno State: The Unknown Injury
To put it bluntly, May has been a nightmare for Scheppers. It began with the power righty looking like a sure-fire top 12 pick. Then came the weekend where he was only used as a reliever, which was followed by a weekend in which he didn’t pitch at all, due to what was initially explained as simply resting his arm for the postseason. That started the injury rumor mill, and those rumors turned out to be right (kind of), as it was revealed that Scheppers had a stress fracture in his shoulder--a rare injury that teams need much more information on to properly analyze. Last week, it turned out that he had no such fracture, and that Scheppers would visit Dr. Lewis Yocum to get a final diagnosis that would be shared with teams prior to the draft. While those results aren’t out yet, the rumors are flying once again, and this time it’s that Scheppers has a labrum injury--and you don’t need Will Carroll to know that, if true, it would be an incredibly bad thing. With or without a confirmed diagnosis, where teams are willing to take and/or are willing to pay Scheppers remains a mystery, but the month of May has clearly cost him at least a million dollars, and likely much more.

Brett Wallace, 1B/3B, Arizona State: Getting Past The Body
You don’t need a phone call with an experienced scout or some kind of degree in applied mathematics to know that Wallace can hit; it’s right there in front of you. Playing for one of the best programs in the country in one of the top conferences, Wallace went into Sunday’s game batting .415/.532/.768 in 224 at-bats with 21 home runs, 44 walks and just 31 strikeouts. He’s basically an on-base and slugging machine, but there are still teams that just can’t get past that first impression of Wallace on sight alone. Listed in the media guide as six-foot-one and 245 pounds, most believe he’s actually much heavier than that, to the point that the nickname "The Walrus" is starting to be used by multiple teams. So you’re really betting on one tool here, and you’re betting it’s good enough to make up for all of his other shortcomings and the fact that he’ll be a first baseman at best in the big leagues. That’s enough to kill off some of the rumors about him going in the top 10 picks, and drop him into the lower teens. Goo goo ga joob.

Jemile Weeks, 2B, University of Miami: The Rare College Athlete
It’s a difficult thing to figure out with players like Weeks. College players are generally seen as a more polished product, yet Weeks is player many of whose accomplishments come from pure athleticism. He’s a plus-plus runner with bat speed-based power who is the most exciting player on nearly any college field, but at the same time, he’s still raw at the plate, in the field, and on the basepaths. That leaves teams with incredibly mixed feelings about Rickie’s younger brother. In one camp, there are those who see a player who is a project and already 21 years old, and the other group wonders just how good he can be if he learns how to translate his tools into skills. As the scouting cliché goes, however, it just takes one team to like you, and one of those teams likely will use a late first-round pick on him.

Kevin Goldstein is an author of Baseball Prospectus. You can contact Kevin by clicking here or click here to see Kevin's other articles.

Re: The 2008 MLB Draft Thread
« Reply #79: June 03, 2008, 09:15:06 AM »
I just got a psychic shiver and imagined getting "The Walrus." Brrrr....

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« Reply #80: June 03, 2008, 12:05:18 PM »
Two days away now. This isn't supposed to be the deepest draft, so hopefully we get the best available w/ our first few picks.

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« Reply #81: June 03, 2008, 12:40:23 PM »
Two days away now. This isn't supposed to be the deepest draft, so hopefully we get the best available w/ our first few picks.

In a Post article this morning, Bowden made it sound like only an idiot would draft to major league need and the best available is the only way to draft.

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« Reply #82: June 03, 2008, 12:50:24 PM »
In a Post article this morning, Bowden made it sound like only an idiot would draft to major league need and the best available is the only way to draft.

Some might say that we should expect him to draft to ML need then. :?

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« Reply #83: June 03, 2008, 12:55:15 PM »
Some might say that we should expect him to draft to ML need then. :?

But wasn't Zim a draft pick to MLB need? Looking at Tom's list,there doesn't appear to be any quick fix guys that'll help the Nats. (Can you draft hitting coaches?)

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« Reply #84: June 03, 2008, 01:38:43 PM »
What Zim did is rare, very rare.  It's not reasonable to expect someone to enter the organization and jump into the middle of the order and contribute at a high level right away, much less within the next couple of years.  If it happens, it's more luck than anything, at least as far as selecting those players goes.  There an infinite number of variables that go into when and how all that happens.  But it shouldn't be expected for a player to jump right in and be able to do that.

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« Reply #85: June 03, 2008, 01:46:50 PM »
It's pretty crazy that 3 third basemen (Gordon, Zim, and Braun) were taken in the top 5 in 2005. All 3 are starting at the ML level right now, too.

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« Reply #86: June 03, 2008, 01:58:04 PM »
The last 10 players taken 9th overall:

2007 - Jarrod Parker (D'backs, RHP)
2006 - William Rowell (Orioles, 3B)
2005 - Mike Pelfrey (Mets, RHP)
2004 - Christopher Nelson (Rockies, SS)
2003 - John Danks (Rangers, LHP)
2002 - Jeff Francis (Rockies, LHP)
2001 - Colt Griffin (Royals, RHP)
2000 - Mark Phillips (Padres, LHP)
1999 - Barry Zito (A's, LHP)
1998 - Sean Burroughs (Padres, 3B)

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« Reply #87: June 03, 2008, 02:02:17 PM »
I'm very curious to know what the nats will do on draft day. It looks more and more like Skipworth should be our pick but if an high rated college player somehow (Beckham, Crow) falls to us, I could see them picking him. It's very hard to really predict what we will do but, Bowden likes high ceiling guys and it wouldn't come to me as surprise we draft a HS bat. But, on the other hand, we may want a guy that could be in the majors in 2-3 years and we could go college route.

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Re: The 2008 MLB Draft Thread
« Reply #88: June 04, 2008, 02:32:19 PM »
Top 10 draft projection by Kevin Goldstein, Baseball Prospectus

Mock Draft 2008


by Kevin Goldstein

With 24 hours to go before the selections begin, the draft remains a muddled mess, making the process of doing a mock a series of hedged wagers. “This is easily one of the most unpredictable first rounds I’ve ever seen,” said one team official. Basically, the draft pool has two clumps of players, one made up of the top ten, followed by a larger group of up to 40 players. With even the first overall pick still up in the air, any one last-minute flip could change the board dramatically.

1. Tampa Bay Rays

This is not like last year, when the Rays had the first overall pick and everyone knew for months that the team would select Vanderbilt left-hander David Price. This is more like 2003, when Tampa had the first overall pick and waited until literally minutes before the draft to choose Delmon Young over Rickie Weeks. This time around, the choice is between Florida State catcher Buster Posey and Georgia high school shortstop Tim Beckham (with Vanderbilt’s Pedro Alvarez still in the mix, but a long shot), but the circumstances are much different for the now-contending Rays. Posey is the safer pick, a player who could make it to The Show quickly while providing nearly Gold Glove-level defense and contributing at the plate by hitting .280-plus with 15-20 home runs and 70 walks. That’s an All-Star at the position, and more importantly, he’d be ready to help over the next few years, when the rest of Tampa’s embarrassing amount of talent is lined up to make a long-term run.
Selection: Buster Posey, C, Florida State

2. Pittsburgh Pirates

The Pirates are in a bit of a pickle with this selection. The Rays are good because they’ve done great things with their picks; the Pirates are faltering because they have failed with theirs. In 2006, they selected Brad Lincoln in front of Clayton Kershaw and Tim Lincecum. In 2005, they nabbed Andrew McCutchen—a fine prospect in his own right—but one pick later the Reds selected Jay Bruce. In 2002, with the first overall pick, they decided on Bryan Bullington over B.J. Upton. Many of those decisions were based on money, and while new team president Frank Coonelly was previously charged with enforcing MLB’s silly slotting system for the draft, the Pirates insist that they are playing it cheap no longer. That seemingly would make Alvarez the obvious pick here, but his price might be too high, even for the Pirates, who are concerned with some holes in his swing and his ability to stay at third base long-term. Tim Beckham is more risky, but should come at a more reasonable price, and many believe he’s a superior prospect to Alvarez by any measurement.
Selection: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS (GA)

3. Kansas City Royals

The Royals' selection has come down to a series of if-then statements. However, at the top of the list is, “If Pedro Alvarez is there, take him,” or more simply, “Vote for Pedro.” They believe he’s the top player in the draft, and they have no qualms about selecting Scott Boras clients, having nabbed Mike Moustakas and Luke Hochevar with their previous two first-round selections. Yes, Alvarez is a third baseman, and yes, the team already has Alex Gordon, but they’re in love with Alvarez’ offensive upside, see Billy Butler as a DH, and expect one of those two third basemen sliding over to first. Beyond Alvarez, there have been plenty of rumors of the Royals doling out the cash for another Boras client, Eric Hosmer, but that only comes into play if Alvarez is already off the board. Posey would also be tempting, especially in an organization that has little to speak of at either the big league or minor league level at catcher.
Selection: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt

4. Baltimore Orioles

The Orioles are a club that tends to lock onto players early, and this year they locked onto the two top college pitchers, left-hander Brian Matusz of San Diego and Missouri right-hander Aaron Crow. Both were phenomenal in last weekend’s regional play, throwing complete-game shutouts, but Matusz has been more consistently good and has been the Orioles’ preference for some time. Late rumors have them also considering South Carolina first baseman Justin Smoak, which would give them the top college power-hitting prospect in each of the last two drafts. For now, that’s still a rumor, and for now, they still prefer the arm.
Selection: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego

5. San Francisco Giants

The Giants are one of the wild cards in the draft. Not only are they highly unpredictable in terms of who they might pick, they keep things as far as who they're considering pretty close to the vest. There have been almost-daily rumors about their taking a player who is nowhere close to the fifth pick overall in terms of value, including Arizona State’s Ike Davis and Vanderbilt’s Ryan Flaherty, but with the names involved changing every few hours, it’s best to ignore those and focus on what San Francisco needs, and has seemingly been on all along—a college position player who could move through the minors quickly. Despite some late action on Crow and the temptation to take a power bat like Smoak, the Giants now seem to have their focus on the other Beckham shortstop—Gordon, from the University of Georgia (no relation to Tim). A Golden Spikes finalist who is batting a remarkable .397/.505/.781 going into super-regional play, Beckham is nowhere near the defensive wizard that Omar Vizquel is, but should provide a significant offensive upgrade.
Selection: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia

6. Florida Marlins

Like the Orioles, the Marlins have been locked in on their player for some time now. The top high school catcher, Kyle Skipworth has had a record-breaking season and greatly impressed scouts both in games and during private workouts. He’s a big left-handed hitter with excellent power and enough defense to stick behind the plate, and he would have a clear path to the majors in a catching-weak Marlins system. There are some inside the organization who would like to consider a college closer here, but the sixth pick is too high to employ that gambit. There's also a late push in favor of University of Miami first baseman Yonder Alonso; if he worked out, the Miami native and Cuban immigrant would be the face of the franchise, but the Marlins are a team that has always stuck to slot, and Alonso may have priced himself out of the opportunity.
Selection: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS (CA)

7. Cincinnati Reds

The Reds are lining up to throw the first real curveball of the first round. They have been heavily scouting the top group of college sluggers, as well as Gordon Beckham, while also dreaming of a scenario that would drop either Matusz or Crow to them. However, a surprising new name has entered the mix—the Reds were in hard on Canadian prepster Brett Lawrie after he went off with eight home runs in eight games against professionals in the Dominican, and they came back with reports encouraging enough to prompt a quickly-scheduled private workout on Tuesday afternoon. As one scouting director put it, “If there’s anyone who can improve his stock with a private workout, it’s Lawrie.” Assuming all went as expected, the surprises start at lucky number seven. If they decide to play it safe, Alonso is currently at the top of their board.
Selection: Brett Lawrie, INF, Brookswood SS (BC)

8. Chicago White Sox

The White Sox would love to get a shortstop like Gordon Beckham into their system, but with him off of the board, they’ll turn to one of the many slugging first basemen from the college ranks. The obvious candidates are Alonso and Smoak, with the longstanding rumor about Arizona State’s Brett Wallace as a dark horse beginning to die out over the last week. Currently there is a split in house as to which is the superior prospect, Alonso or Smoak, but perhaps what is most telling is that during last weekend’s conference tournaments, Kenny Williams went to the SEC games to see Smoak, and not the ACC to see Alonso. That could mean nothing, or it could mean everything, but the general consensus in the industry is that Smoak is the better talent.
Selection: Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina

9. Washington Nationals

The Nats have been attached to many prospects throughout the spring. They had a brief affinity for Skipworth, but it looks like he won’t be available, and he didn’t play especially well when Washington sent their top brass, including GM Jim Bowden, to see him. The Nationals have reportedly been hoping for Hosmer to fall to them for months, and they’re willing to pay the price for his kind of power potential. If the price ends up too high however, they’ll happily select Crow, although late rumors that he also wants an ‘elite major league deal’ aren’t helping matters.
Selection: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS (FL)

10. Houston Astros

Houston is looking to make up for last year’s draft debacle, when they didn’t pick until the third round, and then were unable to sign their first two picks, leaving fifth-round selection Collin DeLome as their torch-holder for the year. They’ll have some excellent college players available to them, and while the system needs practically everything, they have no big-time power prospects in their system, and Alonso would change that. Signability could be an issue here, but it would be no different with selecting Crow.
Selection: Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami

 

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Re: The 2008 MLB Draft Thread
« Reply #89: June 04, 2008, 02:51:54 PM »
Woah, wait, you're telling me Aaron Crow is still on the board and we don't take him?  That's foolish.  If Crow's still on the board, you take him.  You can still find a bat in the second, third, forth...etc rounds.  Take someone like Oral Roberts' Brian Van Kirk who was a c/of for the Eales an who has as good power numbers as anyone and move him to first. 

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Re: The 2008 MLB Draft Thread
« Reply #90: June 04, 2008, 03:16:33 PM »
I'm draft ignorant...  is a power hitting 1B our big priority this year or does he just happen to be the best available pick when our turn comes up and likely to end up as trade bait?

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Re: The 2008 MLB Draft Thread
« Reply #91: June 04, 2008, 04:17:32 PM »
Bowden said in the paper the other day that they were best available player with every selection.  To do otherwise is foolishness, per Bowden.

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« Reply #92: June 04, 2008, 05:07:41 PM »
Bowden said in the paper the other day that they were best available player with every selection.  To do otherwise is foolishness, per Bowden.

and with the Minor League system the way it is, Best Available is always the way to go, imo.  you don't draft for need, because odds are, the player you pick won't make an immediate contribution to fill the need like they do in Basketball and Football.

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« Reply #93: June 04, 2008, 05:18:42 PM »
Let's do predictions for fun, we will see who's right tommorow. So who are the nats picking at 9?

My pick: Aaron Crow

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« Reply #94: June 04, 2008, 05:21:32 PM »
Let's do predictions for fun, we will see who's right tommorow. So who are the nats picking at 9?

My pick: Aaron Crow
Justin Smoak

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Re: The 2008 MLB Draft Thread
« Reply #95: June 04, 2008, 05:50:30 PM »
I'm draft ignorant... 

So am I but I do know that there is a Dykstra that isn't Lenny's son and a Nieto that is related to Tom ranked to the top 100.

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« Reply #98: June 04, 2008, 06:29:53 PM »
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2008/index.jsp?mc=smoak

Sounds like a White Dmitri.

in that they are both switch-hitting first basemen. but beyond that, I'm not quite so sure how they are similar.

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« Reply #99: June 04, 2008, 06:38:32 PM »
in that they are both switch-hitting first basemen. but beyond that, I'm not quite so sure how they are similar.

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Weaknesses: Below-average speed and he's limited defensively to first base.

I think that was what grabbed my attention.