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Offline The Chief

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #100: September 28, 2011, 09:54:40 PM »
Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on September 28, 2011, 09:52:40 PM
Never understood why people are happy to see Dunn fail.

By people do you mean Blathering Blatherscyte and sportsnyan?  Cuz I seriously can't think of anyone else (at least among Nats fans) who is actually happy about the season he's had.
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Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #101: September 28, 2011, 10:25:18 PM »
PA is happy.
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #102: September 28, 2011, 11:44:28 PM »
Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on September 28, 2011, 09:52:40 PM
Never understood why people are happy to see Dunn fail.

Because it means the front office was right not cheap
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #103: September 29, 2011, 12:36:34 AM »
Dunn will come back.
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Offline wpa2629

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #104: September 29, 2011, 12:49:21 AM »
I'm not happy

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Offline blue911

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #105: September 29, 2011, 11:19:55 AM »
Greg Walker stepped down.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #106: September 29, 2011, 11:21:45 AM »
Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on September 28, 2011, 10:25:18 PM
PA is happy.



Dunn was my favorite player on the team last year :crazy: I just think that Morse was the right choice and LaRoche was the abysmal choice.
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Offline Obed_Marsh

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #107: September 29, 2011, 01:26:11 PM »
Ideally he comes back to form after the White Sux cut him loose and are still on the hook for his salary.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #108: October 08, 2011, 10:30:45 PM »
Tristian Cockcroft looks at Dunn's season, noting that with a minimum of 450 PAs, Dunn put up the worst batting average in the history of baseball.  He claims the Rob Deer comparison isn't fair to Deer as Deer not only hit 20 points higher (.179) but hit 25 HRs versus 11 for Dunn.  By Dunn not qualifying for enough PAs for season batting records, he missed setting a new season record for highest strikeout percentage in history (42.7).

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As difficult as it is to imagine Dunn declining so quickly at the age of 31, there wasn't a lot in his peripheral numbers to argue a turnaround is coming in 2012. He completely collapsed against fastballs: After managing .304/.399/.638 and .314/.400/.666 rates against them the past two seasons, he slipped to .160/.327/.274 with a 38.7 percent K rate against them in 2011. He was utterly anemic against lefties, batting .064/.235/.074 with 39 K's in 94 at-bats. And he got even worse down the stretch, batting .143/274/.200 with 43 K's in 105 at-bats (41.0 percent) in 32 games after Aug. 1.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #109: October 09, 2011, 07:25:04 AM »
imref - I agree with out that that's pretty crazy.  He goes from a better-than-solid producer at the plate to one of the few in the running for the worst hitter in baseball history?  That's a precipitous drop and pretty shocking.  I can't imagine he'll be this bad next year.  If he is, I think he'd just retire rather than go through this type of season again. 

Also Tristan Cockcroft is a funny name.
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Offline MarquisDeSade

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #110: October 09, 2011, 07:38:39 AM »
It's entirely possible the negativity of Ozzie just got to him. 
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #111: October 09, 2011, 08:23:31 AM »
Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 09, 2011, 07:25:04 AM
imref - I agree with out that that's pretty crazy.  He goes from a better-than-solid producer at the plate to one of the few in the running for the worst hitter in baseball history?  That's a precipitous drop and pretty shocking.  I can't imagine he'll be this bad next year.  If he is, I think he'd just retire rather than go through this type of season again. 

Also Tristan Cockcroft is a funny name.

I think #21 and #18 in wOBA in 2010 and 2009, respectively would merit more than "better than solid".

To you and imref's point - it does seem inconceivable that somebody could fall that far that fast.  For his sake I sure hope he turns it around next year.  It's kind of tragic that one of his most remarkable traits - his year-to-year consistency - goes completely in the crapter as soon as he finally gets his "big" contract.
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Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #112: October 09, 2011, 08:47:56 AM »
It's probably unprecedented.  Are there records kept for something like 'largest ever one year drop in wOBA?' - just using your stat.  I would imagine most large one year drops are due to injury.  Dunn's case is just crazy.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #113: October 09, 2011, 08:58:06 AM »
I just realized how many bad auto-corrects were in my original post.  Stupid phone :rant:
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #114: October 09, 2011, 09:00:07 AM »
Quote from: Tyler Durden on October 09, 2011, 08:47:56 AM
It's probably unprecedented.  Are there records kept for something like 'largest ever one year drop in wOBA?' - just using your stat.  I would imagine most large one year drops are due to injury.  Dunn's case is just crazy.

I only picked wOBA because I thought you were a fangraphs guy.  Granted, I don't mind wOBA so much, but I'm sure OPS would've worked there too.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #115: October 09, 2011, 09:00:46 AM »
Quote from: The Chief on October 09, 2011, 08:58:06 AM
I just realized how many bad auto-corrects were in my original post.  Stupid phone :rant:

I finally turned that crap off.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #116: October 09, 2011, 09:01:39 AM »
He actually comes out looking even better there...   #10 in OPS for 2009-2010 combined.
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Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #117: October 09, 2011, 09:08:19 AM »
Any way you slice it, it's probably among the largest one season drops in history.  I don't think it's piling on talk about it - it's just a historic feat, even if it is a 'bad' one.  If someone went the opposite direction, that would also be worth talking about - especially if it was a former National.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #118: October 09, 2011, 09:12:37 AM »
I didn't say it was piling on, though there are definitely certain personalities outside of this board who do that.
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Offline CALSGR8

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #119: October 09, 2011, 11:22:30 AM »
Do you think not playing every day and being a DH had anything to do with it?
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #120: October 09, 2011, 11:34:55 AM »
He always insisted he wanted to play the field, but no NL teams were offering what the white sox were - I'm surprised they didn't try him at 1b and Konerko at dh
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #121: October 09, 2011, 11:37:48 AM »
I think they did platoon him with Konerko at 1st base and DH.  But as a Platoon, you don't get consistent playing time.  He's always said if he plays the field, it helps him keep his head in the game!
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #122: October 09, 2011, 11:41:38 AM »
Quote from: MarquisDeSade on October 09, 2011, 07:38:39 AM
It's entirely possible the negativity of Ozzie just got to him. 



His OzzNeg of -400 was off the charts.
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #123: October 09, 2011, 02:32:50 PM »
1. My White Sox friend blames Ozzie entirely for Dunn's decline.

2. How many PAs did he miss qualifying by?
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Re: Is Dunn Done For?
« Reply #124: October 09, 2011, 04:54:29 PM »
Quote from: houston-nat on October 09, 2011, 02:32:50 PM
1. My White Sox friend blames Ozzie entirely for Dunn's decline.

2. How many PAs did he miss qualifying by?

PC said 7 in an earlier post
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