I don't understand this debate. So we're 10-14 (.417) when Flores starts. We're also 10-12 (.454) when Lannan starts. Our record is 25-61 (.291) when Zimmerman starts. Does this prove that these three are nothing but pure losers?
there is no debate. sportsfan is just overrating his pet players again. he's saying that not having Flores is the reason we are 25-61 or whatever our horrid record is now.
It runs a lot deeper than just not having sportsfan's favorite players available.