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Offline MarquisDeSade

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« Reply #2175: January 10, 2016, 05:33:33 PM »
"The Big Short" was worth seeing.  Definately made me wonder about the banking system and the criticism from Elizabeth Warren.

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I like how people forget that the same bozos that whine about Wall Street are the same ones that have allowed them to write the rules.  What next, Barney Frank's insistence that Fannie and Freddie didn't need oversight was a good move?

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« Reply #2176: January 10, 2016, 05:40:36 PM »
Elizabeth Warren was railing about the banking system during the Clinton administration. 

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I like how people forget that the same bozos that whine about Wall Street are the same ones that have allowed them to write the rules.  What next, Barney Frank's insistence that Fannie and Freddie didn't need oversight was a good move?

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« Reply #2177: January 10, 2016, 08:02:00 PM »
You must be unaware that the zero down days are back (along with negative amortization mortgages and 3% down conventions along with the 0% down VA loans).  When we left we had started the process of qualifying for a mortgage and it was completely insane what they were offering us - $800K at 3.65% with 5% down. That wasn't a prequalification either.  The 20% down certainly makes your offer better but if you've got the financing in place the check at the closing is all the same to the seller. 

That said, it's going to be great if we ever decide to stop the charade. I don't think that will happen (and I don't really care since I'll probably be dead in five years) but it seems like we just keep deciding to fund and crank out unneeded crap in the name of keeping people busy.  As long as the war machine cranks along and the federal government keeps handing out support contracts and hiring paper pushers the DC Vortex will find a way to separate morons from 40% of their income.

Just praying that happens for another 8 years so I can get cash out at the top for retirement.   

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« Reply #2178: January 10, 2016, 08:19:51 PM »
Just praying that happens for another 8 years so I can get cash out at the top for retirement.

It hasn't stopped yet so unless something drastic happens (doubtful) I see no reason to be concerned.  The only concern I would have it what you plan to do when you cash out if things do fall apart.  Me, I plan on dying in the next 5-10 years with the max amount of life insurance.

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« Reply #2179: January 10, 2016, 11:58:42 PM »
Saw "The Big Short" today.     

It's a good movie.

I saw it and lived it...worked for the data network that belongs to the 4,000 banks that do international business. The movie explains how "a few bad mortgages" (Jim Cramer, CNBC) knocked down the US financial system. I heard a banker call it "taking bank deposits to that big casino". The movie has a great scene in Las Vegas in which Selena Gomez explains -- with some help from a University of Chicago economist.

You can read the first version of Michael Lewis's book in his article "The End of Wall Street as We Know It": http://upstart.bizjournals.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/the-end-of-wall-streets-boom.html?page=all

Essentially?

- The financial industry created pools of mortgages so that each pool could be traded, like a stock or a bond

- Each pool had a mix of a few AAA credit mortgages and loads of BBB, meaning garbage credit, mortgages. The two rating agencies -- Moody's and Standard & Poor -- gave each pool the rating of the most credit-worthy mortgage. Moody's and S&P did this partly because they are lazy -- don;t want to check the credit of a hundred mortgages within a pool -- and partly because the pool initiators could take their business to the competitor.

- Banks made money trading the pools, but needed more and more pools

- All the smart guys convinced each other that the housing market would always improve. They KNEW...because they had computer models. When a hedge fund manager asked what would happen if housing prices ever declined...if, for instance, people began to lose jobs and miss mortgage payments...the ratings agency said "our model does not allow for a drop in prices".

- So far, I've described stupidity and greed, qualities that a market always corrects eventually. This was different: stupidity and greed multiplied.

- As Selena and the Prof explain, bright lads began to create instruments based on the velocity that prices would increase...not the mortgages themselves, but a calculation derived from the direction of the market. Then the bright lads created instruments based on the instruments based on the velocity that prices would increase.

- That's a derivative. I met derivatives around 1994, when Wall Street (which was still clustered around the corner of Wall and Broad Streets, NYC) was stunned because a firm had fleeced Orange County, CA, the Pension Fund of West Virginia, and one of the toothpaste / shampoo companies.  Their derivatives had been very profitable until suddenly they weren't. Orange County went bankrupt. The toothpaste company sued and got -- eureka -- tapes and internal email from traders and managers. One tape caught a trader boasting that "we've got this deal so tangled that they'll never get out". In an email exchange, a new kid asked his manager about a deal sheet: "What's this 'ROF'?" Answer: "Oh, that's the Rip Off Factor.

(Those were the innocent days, the just getting started days of the International SWAPS and Derivatives Association.)

By 2004 or 2005, Chase Manhattan and a dim-witted insurance company called American Insurance Group (AIG) had created a "don't worry about it" insurance package to protect mortgage pool owners. The insurance packages could be traded, as well.

Create mortgage pools full of garbage mortgages, takes side bets on side bets, then trade instruments derived from the AIG packages: result was an atom bomb in the financial system.

Unfortunately, nothing was done. People are still inventing "innovative financial instruments" that amount to side bets three-times-removed from any underlying value.

See the movie. Read the original article. Read the book. Ignore the explanations from CNBC and FOX Business.

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« Reply #2180: January 11, 2016, 07:22:32 AM »
Don't forget the part about aig's obligations being multiples of what they could afford to ever pay off; it's like getting homeowners insurance underwritten by a homeless guy

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« Reply #2181: January 11, 2016, 08:39:25 AM »
Don't forget the part about aig's obligations being multiples of what they could afford to ever pay off; it's like getting homeowners insurance underwritten by a homeless guy

Yes, that, too. the AIG obligations gave banks the illusion that their positions were safe...even though the banks did not really know how much they had at risk, and AIG assumed that mortgages are always a safe bet.

Idiocy.

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« Reply #2182: January 11, 2016, 08:49:36 AM »
Yes, that, too. the AIG obligations gave banks the illusion that their positions were safe...even though the banks did not really know how much they had at risk, and AIG assumed that mortgages are always a safe bet.

Idiocy.
Sounds like how we overvalued the Nats last year and then it all fell apart like a Ponzi scheme.

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« Reply #2183: January 11, 2016, 01:01:22 PM »
Sounds like how we overvalued the Nats last year and then it all fell apart like a Ponzi scheme.

Ha! The good thing about baseball is that there is always next year...unless it's the end of the 1971 season.

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« Reply #2184: January 16, 2016, 03:16:26 PM »
2IPAs & I saw the movie "Joy" yesterday.  It was one of those movies where we looked forward to bathroom trips.

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« Reply #2185: January 16, 2016, 09:08:51 PM »
It hasn't stopped yet so unless something drastic happens (doubtful) I see no reason to be concerned.  The only concern I would have it what you plan to do when you cash out if things do fall apart.  Me, I plan on dying in the next 5-10 years with the max amount of life insurance.

Gonna trade my house in for a cheaper one and blow the delta on hookers, cocaine and fishing skiffs. 

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« Reply #2186: January 18, 2016, 11:06:32 AM »
I finally saw the martian last night and I was underwhelmed.  It seemed like there was very little character development, and quite a bit of story overlap with Gravity, Castaway, and Apollo 13.  The big climatic scene didn't seem to get much build either. 

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« Reply #2187: January 18, 2016, 03:39:40 PM »
Watched "Love & Mercy" last night.    Ya probably gotta be of a certain age (Brian Wilson/Beach Boys) to appreciate it.    It was different.

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« Reply #2188: January 19, 2016, 06:52:49 PM »
I liked it. I didn't love it.

I finally saw the martian last night and I was underwhelmed.  It seemed like there was very little character development, and quite a bit of story overlap with Gravity, Castaway, and Apollo 13.  The big climatic scene didn't seem to get much build either.

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« Reply #2189: January 19, 2016, 07:41:55 PM »
If ya like the Eagles and remember those days, watch "History of the Eagles".   I saw it on Netflix today.    Lots of background into the band.  One of the neat things for locals (DC), some of the concert stuff from the 70s was filmed at Cap Centre.    There was even a shot of them meetin' Abe Pollin.    The thing that gave the old place away to me was the cinder block (maybe cement) walls.    Remember them?    Anyway, good tunes too.

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« Reply #2190: January 23, 2016, 01:55:14 AM »
Big Short was great

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« Reply #2191: January 23, 2016, 10:39:48 PM »
we're using the storm to catch up on some movies.  Last night was Tommy Boy, tonight was Everest. They are two very different movies.

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« Reply #2192: January 24, 2016, 01:35:47 AM »
we're using the storm to catch up on some movies.  Last night was Tommy Boy, tonight was Everest. They are two very different movies.
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« Reply #2193: January 24, 2016, 07:07:51 AM »
we're using the storm to catch up on some movies.  Last night was Tommy Boy, tonight was Everest. They are two very different movies.

"Everest" makes ya appreciate this dusting of snow in the Metro area.

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« Reply #2194: February 09, 2016, 05:53:05 PM »
Went to the $5.10 movie today.    Saw "Dirty Grandpa" with Di Niro.    It was pretty funny though racy (missus' word).

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« Reply #2195: February 12, 2016, 09:00:30 PM »
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The music  and the last clip .... :shock:

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« Reply #2198: February 13, 2016, 11:32:54 AM »
Not sure he can make flint worse than he did in roger and me

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« Reply #2199: February 13, 2016, 11:37:18 AM »
Not sure he can make flint worse than he did in roger and me

True but I'm hoping he tackles the systemic failure (local, state and federal).    It's one thing when GM does it to you.   It's another when the gummit is freakin' you to death.     It's problematic in a lot of poorer communities in America.