The official bullpen vs offense finger-pointing thread

[The Chief]

ready, set, go

[PC]

If you can't blame the offense when they only score one run, when can you ever blame them?  Can you ever?  Can they ever do wrong?

[PC]

The fact that the Orioles pitching staff stinks makes it even worse!

[The Chief]

If the bullpen comes in when the game is tied, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for them to do anything but lose if the offense does not score any more runs.  Hence, in the case of Nats v O's game 2, The offense is ultimately at fault for the loss.

QED nages.

[ronnynat]

These games have shown us how important it is to have contributors at the bottom of the lineup. We need Dukes, Flores, and Hernandez back in there with the rest of the starters.

[spidernat]

It's pretty bad that 3 runs would've won both ballgames for us.

[spidernat]

These games have shown us how important it is to have contributors at the bottom of the lineup. We need Dukes, Flores, and Hernandez back in there with the rest of the starters.

I had forgotten about Hernandez. He clearly doesn't read this board because he would have learned from the broken arm episode and would not have hurt his hand smacking his helmet.

[nats2playoffs]

But Chief, you said this would be a pissing contest...



I'm just glad we can see a rotation forming:   
Strasburg, Detwiler, Lannan, Martis, Zim-with-2-N's, Stammen   

[The Chief]

I had forgotten about Hernandez. He clearly doesn't read this board because he would learned for the broken arm episode and would not have hurt his hand smacking his helmet.

you're a douche

[DPMOmaha]

This debate will go in circles for days, nay, weeks! 

It's a team thing.  The offense's job is to score runs.  They take some of the blame, tonight a good chunck of it.  The bullpen's job is to not let the other team score.  They've done better, but in a tight game, RV gave up the game deciding run, so yes, he does get some of the blame.  But ultimately, the loss goes to the Washinton Nationals.  Everyone (except maybe Detwiller tonight because if Willie Harris covers second he doesn't give up a hit through 6, but he did walk the bases loaded) get a share in the blame.  I'm not expecting perfection, I know that's not realistic, stuff happens, but there's plenty of blame to go around, just as there is credit when they win.

[The Chief]

^^^  Yeah but beating the pitchers to death because the "team" scored a grand total of 3 runs in 2 games is freaking stupid.

I get what you're saying, but anyone who won't just admit that the offense is MORE to blame in games like these just sounds stubborn, naive, or stupid - take-your-pick

[wpa2629]

I had forgotten about Hernandez. He clearly doesn't read this board because he would have learned from the broken arm episode and would not have hurt his hand smacking his helmet.

radio guys were talking about that -- Hernandez had stickem/pine tar on his bat and his glove stuck to the bat when he swung and dislocated his pinky finger ... yikes

[sportsfan882]

^^^  Yeah but beating the pitchers to death because the "team" scored a grand total of 3 runs in 2 games is freaking stupid.

they deserved to be beat to death regardless.

Tavarez (1-4, 6.00 ERA)
Wells (0-2, 6.30 ERA)

[wpa2629]

^^^  Yeah but beating the pitchers to death because the "team" scored a grand total of 3 runs in 2 games is freaking stupid.

I get what you're saying, but anyone who won't just admit that the offense is MORE to blame in games like these just sounds stubborn, naive, or stupid - take-your-pick

Last night and tonight were definitely on the offense -- but we got some bad breaks -- if Dunn's hit goes over the bag instead of hitting it and popping straight up in the air, that two runs, kearn's hit was fair, that's another run, etc.,  still -- love what our young pitchers are doing ...

[ronnynat]

radio guys were talking about that -- Hernandez had stickem/pine tar on his bat and his glove stuck to the bat when he swung and dislocated his pinky finger ... yikes

That's actually pretty damn funny.

[The Chief]

they deserved to be beat to death regardless.

Tavarez (1-4, 6.00 ERA)
Wells (0-2, 6.30 ERA)

I was talking about Villone mainly.  He's been great so far, especially compared to those two.

[DPMOmaha]

^^^  Yeah but beating the pitchers to death because the "team" scored a grand total of 3 runs in 2 games is freaking stupid.

I get what you're saying, but anyone who won't just admit that the offense is MORE to blame in games like these just sounds stubborn, naive, or stupid - take-your-pick

I've been all three at times, I don't know which one applies today though.  Extend it out beyond today if you want, there's plenty of blame to go around.  This season isn't about this season anyway, it's about 2010, or more likely 2011 and beyond.  The development the young pitchers will pay huge dividends down the line.

[PC]

I was talking about Villone mainly.  He's been great so far, especially compared to those two.

ERA for a relief pitcher is a largely bogus statistic because they pitch so few innings.  One bad outing will set them back for a month.

... unfortunately, we've had relievers who've had multiple bad outings so their ERAs are going to be high for the entire season.

[The Chief]

I've been all three at times, I don't know which one applies today though.  Extend it out beyond today if you want, there's plenty of blame to go around.  This season isn't about this season anyway, it's about 2010, or more likely 2011 and beyond.  The development the young pitchers will pay huge dividends down the line.

I didn't mean to pick on you specifically, just addressing you because you're a lot more coherent than most of the others arguing your position

[DPMOmaha]

I didn't mean to pick on you specifically, just addressing you because you're a lot more coherent than most of the others arguing your position

I'm cool with that. 

[wpa2629]

The pen has been good the last few games -- Villone, Bergmann, Biemel, Hanrahan, etc., compared to the Mt. Vesuvius they were before , they did a nice job the last couple of games

[wpa2629]

BTW chief, that gif is hilarious ...

[Kevrock]

An argument could be made for the defense as well.

[The Chief]

An argument could be made for the defense as well.

True, though since most of the defense is also the offense, that makes the pitchers even less responsible.

[The Chief]

BTW chief, that gif is hilarious ...

bwak