Author Topic: Nats and the 2012 Non-Waiver Trade deadline watch (Read 89926 times)

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1900:** July 31, 2012, 04:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Knight on July 31, 2012, 04:15:23 PM

If you have to remake your team with 2-4 players before the trade deadline are you really a contender? I say not. Chemistry has something to be said for too. The Nats have been extremely resilient through a large amount of injuries to key players. I for one wasn't really feeling the need to do too much at the deadline. When the playoffs hit, you usually only use three starting pitchers anyway. We'll be fine. Lannan can get in three to four starts in the last part of Sept to get us through. Then he goes relief anyway.

I am basically pleased with the production from all the back up cathers. Middle infield is my biggest concern. But who is to say we can't fill that hole on the Aug waiver wire?

I like the team they way they are. THey were built for 2013 and 2014. And thanks to a patient GM today, they still are built for 2013 and 2014. This year is a bonus. There is no reason they can't win the division they way they are, even without Strasburg. Once in the playoffs, all bets are off. Go Nats!

No one wanted to trade the future away. So regardless of what deals were made today, we always would have been built for 2013 and 14. Of course, we also could have increased our chances in 2012... but passed on that.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1901:** July 31, 2012, 04:21:54 PM »

Quote from: Kentucky_National on July 31, 2012, 04:19:37 PM

And I'm not sure why you're laughing at the thought that Jayson Werth was on track to have a big comeback year. I guess you missed the first month or so, where he was looking like his 2010 self. It's not a ludicrous thought.

You can laugh all you want, but I'll continue to laugh at you for freaking out, while I enjoy watching the 2012 Washington Nationals win the National League East.

Well, you apparently attribute value to HR's so when in Werth's career has he ever consistently hit homers at the rate of Adam Dunn? Other than his contract year?

Am I missing something here? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/werthja01.shtml

houston-nat · « **Reply #1902:** July 31, 2012, 04:22:49 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:12:20 PM

Having arguably the worst offensive starting catcher in all of baseball

Just for fun, catchers with 50+ PA who have a lower wRC+ than Jesus Flores:
Ronny Paulino, Tyler Flowers, Kurt Suzuki, Miguel Olivo, Ramon Hernandez, Nick Hundley
(some of them backups)

Brett Hayes, Marlins backup C, is the worst offensive catcher in baseball, with a putrid .200/.222/.248 and 45 Ks in 36 games.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1903:** July 31, 2012, 04:22:50 PM »

Quote from: Kentucky_National on July 31, 2012, 04:21:20 PM

You're just further proving our point. The point is the playoffs are truly a crap-shoot. It's all about who gets hot at the right time. The 2010 Giants won it without any semblance of offense.

Seriously with the team we have, we have a shot. It's all about to meshing, and playing great baseball at the right time. Ask the 2005 83 win St. Louis Cardinals. It's baseball it's a funny game, and anyone can beat anyone.

I love the side that wants no change/not giving up prospects.

They automatically assume anyone that doesn't share their viewpoint doesn't like the Nats and also wouldn't enjoy watching them win.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1904:** July 31, 2012, 04:23:27 PM »

Quote from: houston-nat on July 31, 2012, 04:22:49 PM

Just for fun, catchers with 50+ PA who have a lower wRC+ than Jesus Flores:
Ronny Paulino, Tyler Flowers, Kurt Suzuki, Miguel Olivo, Ramon Hernandez, Nick Hundley
(some of them backups)

Brett Hayes, Marlins backup C, is the worst offensive catcher in baseball, with a putrid .200/.222/.248 and 45 Ks in 36 games.

Check the catchers with at least 230 PA's. See how many are worse than Flores. Two.

Kentucky_National · « **Reply #1905:** July 31, 2012, 04:23:29 PM »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2012, 04:21:54 PM

Well, you apparently attribute value to HR's so when in Werth's career has he ever consistently hit homers at the rate of Adam Dunn? Other than his contract year?

LMAO, I was saying that LaRoche is valuable as a 1B and a run producing corner infielder.

In regards to the Werth-Dunn comparison, I was simply saying that Werth was on track to returning to his career norms much as Adam Dunn has done this year. I wasn't saying that Werth would lead the league in HR's like Dunn is. You totally missed the point on that one.

Kentucky_National · « **Reply #1906:** July 31, 2012, 04:24:20 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:22:50 PM

I love the side that wants no change/not giving up prospects.

They automatically assume anyone that doesn't share their viewpoint doesn't like the Nats and also wouldn't enjoy watching them win.

Never said I wanted no change. Just saying nobody out there that we could have gotten is going to be the difference between winning a world series, and not winning a world series.

BigMeech · « **Reply #1907:** July 31, 2012, 04:24:23 PM »

Quote from: BigMeech on July 31, 2012, 04:09:37 PM

Just realized that people were saying "don't trade the future" yet Desmond, Espinosa, Zimmerman, Zimmermann, Strasburg, GIO, Harper, Ramos, Lombardozzi, Storen, Clippard, and Moore are all under 30.

Not sure where the un-tradable "future" fits in when the future is already on the field for the foreseeable future. It's not like we're the Yankees, Red Sox, or Phillies here in terms of age.

Again, where do we "mortgage the future" by trading a few prospects? We're not old.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1908:** July 31, 2012, 04:24:47 PM »

Quote from: Kentucky_National on July 31, 2012, 04:24:20 PM

Never said I wanted no change. Just saying nobody out there that we could have gotten is going to be the difference between winning a world series, and not winning a world series.

But you're saying that we don't equally enjoy the Nats winning ball games.

Obed_Marsh · « **Reply #1909:** July 31, 2012, 04:26:14 PM »

Rizzo is a shiny GM and I wholly support his Beefcake Manifesto. I just wanted to wait for the deadline to pass before expressing my unconditional support for doing nothing. Flores and Lannan for MVP! The future is ours for the taking. Natitude nags!

Kentucky_National · « **Reply #1910:** July 31, 2012, 04:27:03 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:24:47 PM

But you're saying that we don't equally enjoy the Nats winning ball games.

Nope I'm saying that you are simply wasting time complaining in this thread. And I didn't say you don't equally enjoy watching the Nats win. I'm just saying that I'm not going to waste my time complaining about the Nats not making a marginal move at best.

houston-nat · « **Reply #1911:** July 31, 2012, 04:28:54 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:23:27 PM

Check the catchers with at least 230 PA's. See how many are worse than Flores. Two.

I wasn't arguing with you, I said "just for fun."

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1912:** July 31, 2012, 04:30:12 PM »

we go from having strasburg - jackson - detwiler as 3-4-5 ... to jackson-detwiler-lannan in month of september. that's a huge drop off.

plus the catcher just has a .588 OPS.

Smithian · « **Reply #1913:** July 31, 2012, 04:30:47 PM »

Quote from: hammondsnats on July 31, 2012, 04:30:12 PM

we go from having strasburg - jackson - detwiler as 3-4-5 ... to jackson-detwiler-lannan in month of september. that's a huge drop off.

plus the catcher just has a .588 OPS.

Bet on the table.

BigMeech · « **Reply #1914:** July 31, 2012, 04:31:36 PM »

Quote from: hammondsnats on July 31, 2012, 04:30:12 PM

we go from having strasburg - jackson - detwiler as 3-4-5 ... to jackson-detwiler-lannan in month of september. that's a huge drop off.

plus the catcher just has a .588 OPS.

We couldn't afford to "TRADE THE FUTURE" even though the future is already on the field and the prospects will probably never see the field in a Nationals' uniform for any significant period of time barring an unforeseen circumstance.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1915:** July 31, 2012, 04:31:36 PM »

Quote from: Smithian on July 31, 2012, 04:30:47 PM

Bet on the table.

Why would any Nats fan bet that the Nats won't make the playoffs?

This is the most absurd bet that I think you could have possibly come up with.

Smithian · « **Reply #1916:** July 31, 2012, 04:32:31 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:31:36 PM

Why would any Nats fan bet that the Nats won't make the playoffs?

This is the most absurd bet that I think you could have possibly come up with.

Because he won't deal with anything but an avatar of Roger Bernadina. Not a lot to lose.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1917:** July 31, 2012, 04:33:08 PM »

Quote from: Smithian on July 31, 2012, 04:32:31 PM

Because he won't deal with anything but an avatar of Roger Bernadina. Not a lot to lose.

You don't seem to be grasping the concept that we're all Nats fans. We don't want to see the Nats lose.

What incentive would hammonds have for rooting against the Nats?

natstime · « **Reply #1918:** July 31, 2012, 04:33:31 PM »

Rizzo's way of saying

WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1919:** July 31, 2012, 04:34:36 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:33:08 PM

What incentive would hammonds have for rooting against the Nats?

He's an O's fan?

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1920:** July 31, 2012, 04:34:55 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:31:36 PM

Why would any Nats fan bet that the Nats won't make the playoffs?

This is the most absurd bet that I think you could have possibly come up with.

i dunno. smithian is loony.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1921:** July 31, 2012, 04:35:29 PM »

Quote from: Smithian on July 31, 2012, 04:32:31 PM

Because he won't deal with anything but an avatar of Roger Bernadina. Not a lot to lose.

i haven't talked smack about bernadina in a while. he's been very good recently. i hope he keeps up this play when he goes back to the bench.

daggerrrrrr · « **Reply #1922:** July 31, 2012, 04:35:30 PM »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on July 31, 2012, 03:18:31 PM

Gaby Sanchez = winning the trade deadline? .556 OPS in the Majors this year and he plays 1B

Exactly. Mofo's be tripping up in here.lol

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1923:** July 31, 2012, 04:35:52 PM »

In a way it's demeaning... as if Smithian thinks he's a better fan because he doesn't question the FO.

We're all equal here. We all want the Nats to go 162-0. No one is better than anyone else.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1924:** July 31, 2012, 04:37:57 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2012, 04:35:52 PM

In a way it's demeaning... as if Smithian thinks he's a better fan because he doesn't question the FO.

We're all equal here. We all want the Nats to go 162-0. No one is better than anyone else.

he may be worse than your boy BiL. at least SBF came out and found a problem with the nats, albeit it's not shocking since he's cut from the cloth of the t-shirts/racing presidents/our farm is better than everyone else crowd.