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Who would you rather keep?

Adam LaRoche
68 (60.7%)
Michael Morse
44 (39.3%)

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Offline Ray D

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #75: October 23, 2012, 08:35:50 AM »
Doesnt make any sense to not have a keep both option.


Then you'd need to have a "get rid of both" option too.


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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #76: October 23, 2012, 09:44:42 AM »

This year, an injury plagued year, he scrapped out .291 and 18 HRs. Tyler Moore's slash line was below Morse's.

Nothing to add to LaRoche vs. Morse, but the bolded part is not true.

Moore - .267/.327/.513/.840

Morse - .291/.321/.470/.791

Offline aussienatsfan

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #77: October 23, 2012, 07:22:19 PM »
I'm a massive Morse fan, probably bigger than I am La Roche, but ALR's defense at first is excellent, and his lefty bat a requirement.

I would try to get him for at least 1-2 more years while also trying to get as many AB's as possible for T-Mo who i really,really like.

a tough one

Offline Hogie

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #78: October 23, 2012, 07:58:46 PM »
I just don't know why people seem so hell-bent on getting rid of a 30 HR guy who costs only $6.75 million.

If I were to tell you that a 30 homer guy can be had for that little money, everyone on here would be like, "Holy crap, where?! We need to get that guy!"

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #79: October 23, 2012, 08:00:03 PM »
I just don't know why people seem so hell-bent on getting rid of a 30 HR guy who costs only $6.75 million.

If I were to tell you that a 30 homer guy can be had for that little money, everyone on here would be like, "Holy crap, where?! We need to get that guy!"

There are a lot of people that think we have on on our bench who would put up similar numbers if/when he gets the chance, much like Morse did...and he'd be MUCH cheaper than 6.75 mil.

Offline Hogie

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #80: October 23, 2012, 08:11:59 PM »
There are a lot of people that think we have on on our bench who would put up similar numbers if/when he gets the chance, much like Morse did...and he'd be MUCH cheaper than 6.75 mil.

And those people are taking a HUGE leap of faith....probably mostly influenced by homerism.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #81: October 23, 2012, 08:39:11 PM »
And those people are taking a HUGE leap of faith....probably mostly influenced by homerism.

Not really.  They did a similar thing after Morse filled a similar role.  Moore's numbers were comparable to Morse's in 2010.  They're really pretty similar.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #82: October 23, 2012, 08:48:05 PM »
Why choose between Moore and Morse when you don't have to? Keep them both

Online HalfSmokes

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #83: October 23, 2012, 08:58:03 PM »
Why choose between Moore and Morse when you don't have to? Keep them both

Because keeping them both means the same lineup next year- great if you liked it (and there is plenty of reason to),  not so great if you want improvement

Offline wpa2629

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #84: October 23, 2012, 09:08:11 PM »
Because keeping them both means the same lineup next year- great if you liked it (and there is plenty of reason to),  not so great if you want improvement

A full year of Morse and another year of experience for Moore would certainly be an improvement and is more than ok with me

Offline PC

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #85: October 23, 2012, 09:47:50 PM »
Because keeping them both means the same lineup next year- great if you liked it (and there is plenty of reason to),  not so great if you want improvement

Improvement needs to happen with Jackson's replacement in the starting rotation.  That's where the resources (financial) should be put.

Morse will be in his walk year, next year.  I'm guessing he'll have a monster season and I've been down on Morse recently.

I'd have no problem going into next season with the same lineup we had this season.

Offline aspenbubba

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #86: October 24, 2012, 06:27:51 AM »
Improvement needs to happen with Jackson's replacement in the starting rotation.  That's where the resources (financial) should be put.

Morse will be in his walk year, next year.  I'm guessing he'll have a monster season and I've been down on Morse recently.

I'd have no problem going into next season with the same lineup we had this season.

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Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #87: October 24, 2012, 08:07:08 AM »
Not really.  They did a similar thing after Morse filled a similar role.  Moore's numbers were comparable to Morse's in 2010.  They're really pretty similar.

But the situation with Morse was a bit different. Now we KNOW we have what we have with LaRoche so we really don't need to risk putting a guy in there... however, I'm not saying I wouldn't give Moore a chance to break out since I believe he will.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #88: October 24, 2012, 08:14:01 AM »
Improvement needs to happen with Jackson's replacement in the starting rotation.  That's where the resources (financial) should be put.

Morse will be in his walk year, next year.  I'm guessing he'll have a monster season and I've been down on Morse recently.

I'd have no problem going into next season with the same lineup we had this season.

the rotation was fine this year, if you're talking about post season, Strasburg replaces him. The offense was streaky all season and came up very short in the playoffs

Offline Ray D

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #89: October 24, 2012, 09:28:55 AM »
Why choose between Moore and Morse when you don't have to?

You do have to, unless you let LaRoche loose.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #90: October 24, 2012, 09:41:11 AM »
Not true

You do have to, unless you let LaRoche loose.



Offline Ray D

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #91: October 24, 2012, 09:52:52 AM »
Not true



Where do you fit Morse, Moore, and LaRoche?

Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #92: October 24, 2012, 09:57:24 AM »
Where do you fit Morse, Moore, and LaRoche?

I think people are referring to just keeping Moore on the bench. There's definitely no room for all three to start.

Offline Ray D

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #93: October 24, 2012, 10:40:21 AM »
I think people are referring to just keeping Moore on the bench.

He's ready to be an everyday player, somewhere, and keeping him on the bench is not the best use of his value.  Best use would be to trade him. Or trade Morse.

Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #94: October 24, 2012, 10:41:32 AM »
He's ready to be an everyday player, somewhere, and keeping him on the bench is not the best use of his value.  Best use would be to trade him. Or trade Morse.


I know. But people are saying that it's not difficult to keep all three. Only two would be able to start, though.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #95: October 24, 2012, 10:57:31 AM »
Nothing to add to LaRoche vs. Morse, but the bolded part is not true.

Moore - .267/.327/.513/.840

Morse - .291/.321/.470/.791
My mistake. Should have checked my facts past just average.

Point stands, Morse is still the superior hitter. There is no reason whatsoever to move Morse to let Moore get an every day spot. If we can find a team willing to send us a highly competitive package for him, then adios Morse. Otherwise moving him to move him makes no sense.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #96: October 24, 2012, 11:02:39 AM »
He's ready to be an everyday player, somewhere, and keeping him on the bench is not the best use of his value.  Best use would be to trade him. Or trade Morse.

Why? He didn't have such a year that screams breakout player. He is a very good bench piece who can play a couple spots and can be a big bopper late in games.

If we traded for a 25 year old player who is a sub par left fielder (glove) with a slash line of .267/.327/.513 and 10 homers in less than 200 career ABs and hailed him as the answer at 1B or LF, many on this board would want blood. This team needs to be focused on winning a championship. Tyler Moore was a solid bench player for the 2012 Nationals. He starts on some bad teams. The 2013 Nationals are going to be thinking championship.

And bench player isn't an insult. Good teams have players who would have started on the 2009 and 2010 Nats. You need quality bats on the bench if you want to win championships.

Offline Ray D

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #97: October 24, 2012, 11:07:26 AM »
Point stands, Morse is still the superior hitter.

Because he had the better batting average?  Moore had better on-base, slugging, and OPS, any of those three are more important than BA in my opinion.


Offline Hogie

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #98: October 24, 2012, 11:19:14 AM »
I don't think Moore is an every day first baseman. But he's tremendous depth at no cost.

Offline NationalHeat

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #99: October 24, 2012, 11:21:03 AM »
I only hope that Rizzo doesn't overstate the baseball value of ALR, Morse or Moore. I still see them all as replacement level, or in ALR's case, above replacement level guys at their positions.